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5791
« on: March 30, 2016, 08:14:16 PM »
If you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.
Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.
Unless there is direct evidence against it
No. Wrong. Especially if there's direct evidence against it. You can't help the way you're born, and you deserve every right that anyone else has when you're born. That includes having kids.
Your argument is no different than looking at crime statistics and disdaining black people as a whole due to it. If you're discriminating against someone because of how they were born then, little statistics or not, you're a bigot. That's literally the definition of bigot.
Except being black affects no one And if I'm born schizophrenic and shoot up a school, it wouldn't be my fault because I was born that way
5792
« on: March 30, 2016, 08:12:14 PM »
So in a society where anything goes, why would consent matter
Since you said there is nothing wrong with a society without values
Except for consent.
Consent is the one value. Next to suffering, it's pretty much the only thing that matters in the world.
So what if two people consented to something that harms an unknowing third party What if two people consent to go fuck a dead body together What if two people consent to do all they can to increase global warming All this is fine I guess because people consent Or if I don't consent to paying my taxes Or if I don't consent to feeding my child Or if I don't consent to putting my child in school
5793
« on: March 30, 2016, 08:04:32 PM »
If you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.
Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.
Unless there is direct evidence against it Even so I'm not against it I don't get where you think this all anti gay shit from Literally nobody in this thread is against gay people
5794
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:57:15 PM »
Except it is literally biology that a child is raised best in a traditional household
A child who is "raised best" doesn't exist. No upbringing is perfect, and I love how all of these gay bashers are silent when it comes to all the shitty heterosexual households out there.
And besides, morality > biology
You can't tell a straight person "you should do this", turn around and tell a gay person "you shouldn't do this", and still be in the right.
All your statements are based on the pretense that I'm against gay people I am not Of course there are bad people on both sides Just because I'm saying gay people shouldn't beat their kids, doesn't mean I'm saying tradition couple should
5795
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:54:04 PM »
I hate all these people who are willing to stampede over human rights in the name of progress.
Funny because you're the one advocating the gay and incest parenthood
5796
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:52:45 PM »
Veganism is in-line with consent-based morality. If you could ask a cow if you could use its milk, or ask a chicken if it wants to be butchered, and they both said "yes," then you could justify doing those things.
But you can't, so that's why it's not okay to consume animal products.
The same goes for any action involving two parties. You must have consent at all times in order to do anything with another person. At the very least, you must be absolutely certain that the individual wouldn't mind, like throwing a surprise birthday party or something like that.
So all in all This would be a value of consent So in a society where anything goes, why would consent matter Since you said there is nothing wrong with a society without values
5797
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:47:24 PM »
The "family structure" isn't even necessarily a good thing to begin with. Breaking it isn't bad in any way. This is the same argument people used to use to say that women getting jobs was immoral.
That statement is 100% right. Regardless of these broad statistics all the bigots circlejerk over, gay parents and single parents can raise perfectly happy, healthy kids.
Except it is literally biology that a child is raised best in a traditional household In general, people who put "muh society's well being" over individual rights are scum.
When I'm talking about "muh society", I'm talking about what we teach our kids and our morals as a people, not fucking Facebook And I would never force my ideals on anyone who isn't causing harm to others You can do whatever you want I'm just voicing my disapproval of certain types of thinking
5798
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:40:25 PM »
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And there's literally nothing wrong with that.
Sooooo If values don't matter, why do you advocate veganism so much? This isn't an attack on veganism itself so don't go off on a rant on that But if values don't matter, you would be fine with people doing anything but clearly you aren't lol
5799
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:36:39 PM »
When I'm talking about an incestuous relationship, I'm not referring to a pedophillic relationship. I'm talking adult siblings or adult child/adult parent. It has nothing to do with raising kids. So you wouldn't consider breaking the family structure immoral? In my post at the top of this page, I was talking about homosexual relationships. And if you're not talking about forcing gay people to go hetero, then what the fuck is the point of this argument? People are born gay, just like they're born black or female. Even if the statistics said that gay parents have a zero percent chance of raising a healthy kid, they still have the right to raise a kid.
I wasn't making a point I was simply responding to an incorrect statement Gay, single-parent, and polygamous households can all raise children just as well as standard ones. This statement
5800
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:18:38 PM »
But it is
The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them
And once the child is raised, there is literally nothing wrong with having sex with them. Nothing.
Until you start getting each other pregnant. That's bad.
Incest
I like it
Be my daddy
5801
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:16:01 PM »
But it is
The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them
And once the child is raised, there is literally nothing wrong with having sex with them. Nothing.
Until you start getting each other pregnant. That's bad.
I don't see how you can raise a child and be their romantic partner at the same time And the basis for this is, I'm assuming, "you can do whatever you want as long as it's consensual and doesn't affect anyone else" But then we have a society without values A society where anything goes
5802
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:12:25 PM »
Who said anything about treating their children romantically? Are we still talking about incest or are you talking about something else It will probably be harder to raise a child in a gay household, but the point is that it's better than forcing gay people to repress themselves and their love. A gay person being forced to be in a heterosexual relationship is going to be a worse parent than a gay person who's being themselves in a homosexual one. Who the fuck is saying we should force gay people to go hetero? I'm just saying that there are differences between gay and traditional households Of course the raising of a child is more dependent on just whether the parents are gay or not
5803
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:03:35 PM »
We need a Days of Future Past for DC so these movies can be wiped out
5804
« on: March 30, 2016, 07:00:52 PM »
Love is a meme. I don't think it actually exists.
5805
« on: March 30, 2016, 06:56:03 PM »
I don't even see why I'm having to argue this
This wuestion was asked under the pretense that incest is wrong
5806
« on: March 30, 2016, 06:55:06 PM »
You guys actually think there's nothing morally wrong with incest? Of course not. Just because it's gross doesn't make it immoral.
Quit being a little kid.
But it is The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them
5807
« on: March 30, 2016, 06:51:49 PM »
For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.
So consent is the only measure for morality??
Um, duh. Especially when dealing with things that can't give consent. But when you're dealing with humans, it's pretty cut and dry.
But a parent's job, the very definition of parenthood, is to take care of your child and make sure they grow up into a good person
So that would be ok to destroy in the name of consent?
Are you trolling? Gay, single-parent, and polygamous households can all raise children just as well as standard ones. Is it more work? Probably. But a someone who is able to express their love and be themselves is going to be a better, happier parent than someone who's forced to repress themselves and be stuck in a loveless marriage. The fact you think the second option is preferable to the child is laughable and cruel.
Actually that would be wrong http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-researchhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/health/study-examines-effect-of-having-a-gay-parent.html?_r=0There are differences in a homosexual household vs a traditional household I wouldn't know about polygamous households but I would assume the kids would be more confused due to the amount of parent figures in the house Or if not, then seeing their father showing love to women other than their mom wouldn't fare too well on the kids Of course the fact that whether a couple is gay or not isn't the only factor in raising kids I think that the relationship between child and parent is the most important thing But to saying there is no difference between gay and traditional households is ignorant Also If you think that a single parent can raise a child as well as a couple (gay or traditional), you can go fuck yourself It sounds like you're basing your opinion off of your own intuition instead of actual facts Sure if someone can love their child romantically and still be able to raise them well, that's great But you know perfectly well that the parent would treat the child more like a romantic partner instead of a child they need to raise
5808
« on: March 30, 2016, 06:25:33 PM »
For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.
So consent is the only measure for morality??
Um, duh. Especially when dealing with things that can't give consent. But when you're dealing with humans, it's pretty cut and dry.
But a parent's job, the very definition of parenthood, is to take care of your child and make sure they grow up into a good person So that would be ok to destroy in the name of consent?
5809
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:28:25 PM »
For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.
So consent is the only measure for morality??
5810
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:27:13 PM »
If their was no probability of kids I would definitely say it would be a lot more acceptable for incest couples to be together. In terms of upbringing, I honestly don't think there's that much of a difference. Shitty parents are shitty no matter what the sexuality, I didn't even consider that an issue, it was mainly about having disabled children.
There's also people who would argue that generations of inbreeding isn't bad no matter what scientific evidence you show them, so they'll carrying on inbreeding. So morality plays no part in this? And it is documented that there are differences in the upbringing of children in a gay vs traditional household http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research And I mean it's pretty obviously given the biological preset for male and female mates to raise a child Not to mention the hormonal and mental differences in each sex The line is drawn in history, if it was deemed wrong in the past, and there's been no change in opinions on it over time, it's probably still seen as bad. I imagine polygamy specifically is something to do with religion.
I have no issues with polygamy given everyone is consenting, like I said before, it's about society caring, and they don't.
But that's such a unreliable source of morality History has been wrong on a lot of things and we haven't been around long enough to reach any type of moral high ground
5811
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:16:09 PM »
That's what I said in the following sentence.
Because high school flings are usually innocent
Whereas older people tend to take advantage of kids
Besides
High school flings are just high school flings whereas adults are trying to make something more
Kids can't make decisions that serious
So why would you ask a wuestion you answered??
5812
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:15:16 PM »
As long as they take adequate precautions against pregnancy, or are prepared to raise a child with disabilities, I really don't have an issue here. As long as everyone is concenting and adult, what I personally find icky shouldn't play into what is legal and illegal.
It's not wrong.
It's only wrong when they have children, but that goes for everybody.
Incest isn't wrong, neither is polygamy. Any kind of consensual relationship can't be moral or immoral.
Whoa You guys actually think there's nothing morally wrong with incest? What the fuck
5813
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:13:30 PM »
Obviously the whole "Age of consent, minds not developed enough" thing, but that also raises the question: How come we deem them able to consent to sexual intercourse to people their own age (I'm talking children who were old enough to take Sex Ed in HS) but not towards anyone older? Because high school flings are usually innocent Whereas older people tend to take advantage of kids Besides High school flings are just high school flings whereas adults are trying to make something more Kids can't make decisions that serious
5814
« on: March 30, 2016, 04:35:26 PM »
Gay people can't have kids, but they can adopt/IVF or whatever. The issue with incest is when you get a family member pregnant and the kid has genuine disabilities which could have been avoided by not having sex, that doesn't happen with gay couples, because they can't have kids.
You could argue that incest couples just don't have kids, but that wouldn't work because it would happen, just like accidents happen with regular couples. I'm talking about the raising of adopted children There's obviously a difference in the upbringing of a child when you have gay vs traditional couples And there are plenty of ways for incest couples to prevent pregnancy Vasectomy, tubes tied, condoms, birth control, ect Would it be an issue if kids were taken out of the equation? Polygamy is consent based as well, but the truth is it's not much of an issue for society at the moment, and that's probably the reason for a lot of other stuff as well.
Very few in society care about polygamy, so there is no push behind a societal change that becomes accepting of it.
Well even so It's a principle argument Where do we draw the line?
5815
« on: March 30, 2016, 02:32:02 PM »
Incest probably due to complications with having kids.
Define any other type of relationship. If you mean stuff like children or animals then it's an issue of consent.
Gay people have complications with kids too lol Other relationships could be with animals, kids, and inanimate objects You're right Consent would be the issue here but then there's polygamy And mental/physically impaired people getting married which could have ramifications on the kids too
5816
« on: March 30, 2016, 02:18:11 PM »
I have never seen anyone who embodies the classic stoner bro look more than this guy
5817
« on: March 30, 2016, 02:13:06 PM »
Wuestion
Got a problem mate?
5818
« on: March 30, 2016, 02:11:02 PM »
If gay relationships are acceptable based on the idea that "love is love" then why is incest wrong?
Or any other type of relationship
I'm not bashing on gay people but it's a thought that someone introduced me to lately
What principle is this based on?
5819
« on: March 30, 2016, 02:02:54 PM »
People who need to prove shit are the worst
Yeah, I agree, now please leave my thread
Are you going to kick my ass if I don't
Don't worry I'll wait for you to put your gloves on
Yeah dude, I intend to kick your ass through the internet. Are you really so buttmad intimidated that you have to respond so stupidly?
Did your high school sweetheart start dating someone or something You've been really mad lately
5820
« on: March 30, 2016, 01:58:24 PM »
People who need to prove shit are the worst
Yeah, I agree, now please leave my thread
Are you going to kick my ass if I don't Don't worry I'll wait for you to put your gloves on
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