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8581
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:18:28 AM »
Look, I don't think anyone can really EXPLAIN to you the appeal of Fallout 1 and 2 if your mind has already been made up before the conversation started. That literally defeats the entire point of the discussion or debates. Coming in saying with the "i'm right, you're wrong" mentality is just the wrong way to go about it if you bothered to make a thread like this.
8582
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:16:26 AM »
Again, if you want that kind of atmosphere, you should either be playing a game that actually has enjoyable gameplay or play a tabletop RPG and use your imagination instead of settling for a second rate version of what you want.
But there are people who enjoy top down gameplay (and still do if Pillars of Eternity proved anything), and the atmosphere for Fallout 1 and 2 was just fine. If anything, your logic is telling me that I should settle with something that's objectively less of an atmosphere unless you somehow use your imagination to make up for it. In terms of video games, no one has to do that.
8583
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
In terms of gameplay, it's kind of impossible to compare Fallout 1 and 2 to 3 and NV, considering they're entirely different genre's at that point. which is interesting
how come they made such a drastic change anyway
Well, 1 and 2 were made by Interplay, 3 and NV by Bethesda. I suppose Bethesda wanted to use a more current gameplay style as well as make the game their own by using their style of gameplay.
NV was PUBLISHED by Bethesda but made by Obsidian, a lot of which contained the original people who did 1 and 2. That's why you see things implemented in it that were in their unfinished game Van Buren, and a lot of Fallout 1 and 2 OST's you can hear around the world. Same with the world being so tied to 1 and 2 with the Super Mutants, NCR (who were in fallout 2), references to Fallout 2 such as Marcus talking about traveling with a tribal (the MC in Fallout 2), and much more.
8584
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:07:52 AM »
In terms of gameplay, it's kind of impossible to compare Fallout 1 and 2 to 3 and NV, considering they're entirely different genre's at that point. which is interesting
how come they made such a drastic change anyway
New company, games hadn't seen success since 1998 a decade ago, they just came off of Oblivion and wanted to implement their vision of games onto it, etc.
8585
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:06:30 AM »
By that very same logic, someone could say CoD is fun all day, every day, because of the "mostly polished" gameplay.
I can understand that more than I can understand enjoying Fallout 1 and 2.
It just seems to me that if you want to play Fallout 1 or 2, just play a tabletop RPG, because it will be a thousand times better and will give you the same effect.
But some people enjoy the universe, darkness, story, and dread that Fallout as a universe brings. And speaking from an atmospheric perspective, Fallout 1 and 2 nail that on so many levels. Just because one does it better doesn't mean the other should be completely disregarded. And you're comparing a video game to a real life table top thing, which kinda blurs the line.
8586
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:03:47 AM »
but I could forgive it due to it's age
Don't do that
Why not? It's not terrible at all, and while definitely showing signs of it being an old game it's pretty decent
Old games can still be as good (or better) than games made nowadays gameplay-wise. Saying "it's old" isn't an excuse for shit gameplay.
In terms of gameplay, it's kind of impossible to compare Fallout 1 and 2 to 3 and NV, considering they're entirely different genre's at that point. It'd be like comparing World of Warcraft to its predecessors Warcraft 1-3. That's why whenever someone talks about them, it's the lore, because it holds up between all games.
8587
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:02:01 AM »
I'm trying to imagine what modern colonialism involving the major European powers would look like...and honestly, it's looking good for modern Africa.
More doctors and hospitals, actual jobs, better infrastructure, human rights and civil liberties...
It would require a complete redraw of the African map
What do you think the map of Africa would look like if it wasn't colonized?
Apparently this is an educated guess.
Why is it upside down?
Why do maps made in NA, Europe, and Asia place their respective continents in the center?
Well all the maps I see from NA are New World is on the left (western hemisphere), and Old World on the right. The middle is just the Atlantic.
Look up. A lot of maps made in the US use to place it in the center. Eurasia was split in two for these.
Yeah I've seen em, but never once in school or anything educational did I see it being used. Plus it's just ugly.
I saw them being used all the time in elementary and middle school back when I was a kid. Hence me saying "they use to be pretty common".
Really? Huh. I think we can both agree they're just awful to look at.
8588
« on: November 03, 2015, 11:00:42 AM »
I enjoyed them more for the world and the atmosphere of the game rather than the combat, I loved the "Humanity trying to rebuild itself" theme it had going on as opposed to how it feels in Fallout 3 and to a lesser extent NV, where it feels like the apocalypse just happened
Also the good storytelling and quests, the combat was ok, nothing special but I could forgive it due to it's age
Fallout 1 and 2 always did the "Humanity trying to rebuild" better than Fallout 3 or NV ever did. Plus the settlements in 1 and 2 are the reason I prefer them over NV. We got places like Los Angeles, Vault City, New Reno, Arryo, and Shady Sands. I didn't get that same feeling from NV if we're sticking to the desert.
8589
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:58:44 AM »
But your opinion on what "shit gameplay" is =/= the opinion of what everyone else sees it as. I could just as easily say Call of Duty has shit gameplay because of its twitch mechanics and simplicity to cater to casual fans. Sad to say, but you're in the minority with that opinion. You can dislike it all you want, but simply ruling off an entire genre as shit because you don't like it is horribly ignorant. CoD gives you control of the player and is mostly pretty polished. Just a boring game. It's fun for a game or two then it's boring.
Fallout 1 and 2 are just not fun to play. By that very same logic, someone could say CoD is fun all day, every day, because of the "mostly polished" gameplay. And I need to bring it up again, but if you think Pillars of Eternity is a shit game, then it simply boils down to you not liking the genre.
8590
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:57:23 AM »
I can't continue this discussion in two threads, so I'll take it to the one you made specifically for it.
8591
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:56:12 AM »
I'm trying to imagine what modern colonialism involving the major European powers would look like...and honestly, it's looking good for modern Africa.
More doctors and hospitals, actual jobs, better infrastructure, human rights and civil liberties...
It would require a complete redraw of the African map
What do you think the map of Africa would look like if it wasn't colonized?
Apparently this is an educated guess.
Why is it upside down?
Why do maps made in NA, Europe, and Asia place their respective continents in the center?
Well all the maps I see from NA are New World is on the left (western hemisphere), and Old World on the right. The middle is just the Atlantic.
Look up. A lot of maps made in the US use to place it in the center. Eurasia was split in two for these.
Yeah I've seen em, but never once in school or anything educational did I see it being used. Plus it's just ugly.
8592
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:54:01 AM »
It probably is shit. Gameplay>story every time, and the gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2 is so shit I don't see how you can enjoy it.
And this discussion can end right here. Your opinion is not the objective fact of the gaming industry. No offense, but get over yourself in that regard.
But that's objective
Game+shit gameplay+good lore/story=shit
But your opinion on what "shit gameplay" is =/= the opinion of what everyone else sees it as. I could just as easily say Call of Duty has shit gameplay because of its twitch mechanics and simplicity to cater to casual fans. Sad to say, but you're in the minority with that opinion. You can dislike it all you want, but simply ruling off an entire genre as shit because you don't like it is horribly ignorant.
8593
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:50:29 AM »
Because it's an old game that relies on a very old gameplay system from the 90's. Some people like that stuff, others don't. You don't have to like it and then suddenly say it's horrible because you don't like it. I don't like World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, and most Telltale games, but I can see why others enjoy it. It's not your style of game, that's fine. But don't go around saying something is shit just because you personally do not enjoy it. But WoW is shit for the same reason.
Call of Duty is easy to understand because it's just a casual shooting game
but I honestly cannot see how it could possibly be fun to play a game like Fallout 1 or 2. It just isn't enjoyable, and if you're only playing for the lore/story then you're an idiot. WoW is shit how? This is literally boiling down to "I don't like it, so other people can't like it." That's honestly what you're telling me. After I got past getting used to Fallout 1 and 2, I enjoy it a lot. It's the same reason people love Baulders Gate. And since Pillars of Eternity follows that same gameplay, are you telling me THAT'S bad too? It probably is shit. Gameplay>story every time, and the gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2 is so shit I don't see how you can enjoy it. And this discussion can end right here, considering A. PoE got rave reviews and B. is very strong in both the gameplay and story department. Your opinion is not the objective fact of the gaming industry. No offense, but get over yourself in that regard. move along
8594
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:49:22 AM »
It probably is shit. Gameplay>story every time, and the gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2 is so shit I don't see how you can enjoy it.
And this discussion can end right here, considering A. PoE got rave reviews and B. is very strong in both the gameplay and story department. Your opinion is not the objective fact of the gaming industry. No offense, but get over yourself in that regard.
8595
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:47:34 AM »
Considering the numerous assassination attempts while he was IN office, I don't think that is true.
8596
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:45:12 AM »
I'm trying to imagine what modern colonialism involving the major European powers would look like...and honestly, it's looking good for modern Africa.
More doctors and hospitals, actual jobs, better infrastructure, human rights and civil liberties...
It would require a complete redraw of the African map
What do you think the map of Africa would look like if it wasn't colonized?
Apparently this is an educated guess.
Why is it upside down?
Why do maps made in NA, Europe, and Asia place their respective continents in the center?
Well all the maps I see from NA are New World is on the left (western hemisphere), and Old World on the right. The middle is just the Atlantic.
8597
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:44:16 AM »
Aren't we all originally Africans! Let's get along!
I think there was a new founding of bones older than African ones on another continent which has debunked that. I forget where though.
Edit: Nvm, it's South Africa.
I still don't believe we all came from Africa and we're all originally black. Doesn't make sense.
A lot of evolution doesn't make sense, or is wild. But I can see why there are skeptics.
8598
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:42:47 AM »
Like mentioned above with the military, it's because it is something you strongly associate with on an emotional or loyalty level. Sports brings out the tribal nature in people, the "them against us" mentality. That's why it is so loved.
8599
« on: November 03, 2015, 05:08:42 AM »
I think because I played Diablo 2 thanks to my brother when I was younger, it wasn't as tough on me.
8600
« on: November 03, 2015, 04:41:48 AM »
But WoW is shit for the same reason.
Call of Duty is easy to understand because it's just a casual shooting game
but I honestly cannot see how it could possibly be fun to play a game like Fallout 1 or 2. It just isn't enjoyable, and if you're only playing for the lore/story then you're an idiot.
WoW is shit how? This is literally boiling down to "I don't like it, so other people can't like it." That's honestly what you're telling me. After I got past getting used to Fallout 1 and 2, I enjoy it a lot. It's the same reason people love Baulders Gate. And since Pillars of Eternity follows that same gameplay, are you telling me THAT'S bad too?
8601
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:55:34 PM »
I'm actually a sweet potato
This actually made me laugh. Best one.
8603
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:49:37 PM »
8604
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:49:08 PM »
I'm trying to imagine what modern colonialism involving the major European powers would look like...and honestly, it's looking good for modern Africa.
More doctors and hospitals, actual jobs, better infrastructure, human rights and civil liberties...
It would require a complete redraw of the African map
What do you think the map of Africa would look like if it wasn't colonized?
Apparently this is an educated guess.
Why is it upside down?
8605
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:47:51 PM »
100 on Luci.
Any takers?
You got me I'm actually dragonkin  are you happy?
8606
« on: November 02, 2015, 11:42:16 PM »
Get out
8607
« on: November 02, 2015, 09:48:37 PM »
I sit up straight unless I'm leaning back to watch a movie/video or something.
Because I'm not a barbarian like half of you
8608
« on: November 02, 2015, 09:37:09 PM »
I always sit like a Jarl of skyrim on his throne.
This needs more likes
8609
« on: November 02, 2015, 09:03:33 PM »
Aren't we all originally Africans! Let's get along!
I think there was a new founding of bones older than African ones on another continent which has debunked that. I forget where though. Edit: Nvm, it's South Africa.
8610
« on: November 02, 2015, 08:52:46 PM »
That dog looks like an oversized rat
no wonder it died out. the cute gene was a more deciding factor the more humans domesticated wolves/dogs anyway. Even the worlds ugliest dog comp has something adorable about them.
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