Does CP even have a chance tho?

Child porn never stood a chance, Psu.

Probably apply to a few stores tonight. See if anyone is up for Civ V

I'm sorry

kinda upset my game keeps delaying but I think I fixed it

talking about meat is making me hungry

ironically enough, my mother made the best flank steak the last time i ran into people having this argument

but it's 3 AM this time

even a broken clock is right twice a day

And yes, you are so obviously upset, otherwise you wouldn't have cut the conversation so early.

actually it's because of Attila

I need to expand my Frankish Kingdom

Oh, and the FA Cup

1. Wasn't my post. Asked if you could educate me on the issue.

2. I'm not upset you called me a nazi (I never even thought of that), nor do I care enough to get upset at someone name calling me for eating meat. I don't care. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

3. You assume a lot when you say I haven't spoken to anyone who knows what they're talking about. Glad to see you're keeping tabs on me I guess.

4. Your "good" is up for debate on so many levels, but naturally you're so passionate and blind about it that you shut out all opposing factors in your routine narrow minded arguing. Just look at how you shut down that article you got linked by instantly dismissing it as hogwash without anything to back it up other than "nah you're wrong". That's the very definition of ignorant, which is ironic coming from someone like you who likes to champion educating people and clashing in debates. Kinda hard to do that when you use a combination of non-sequiturs and illogical fallacy's.

5. you're just as evil and as fucked up as a meat-eater i guess why not

6. I have a bad habit of trying to get the last word, so this is my last post in regards to this. I have other stuff I need to do. Have a good night, Verby (no that's not sarcasm, so shut up)!

Was waiting for the Fate joke

But it's a shame that entire region SUCKS now.

Listen to Pepsi. She's very smart in this field. Nag her for PC questions.

Merely killing for food is and never was immoral. Ever.

So if I went hunting and killed a deer/turkey for the purpose of eating it, I am not immoral in your eyes?

It always seemed to me you were just saying "all meat is wrong how dare you".

Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 09:25:01 PM

Quote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:05:54 PM

If he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.

the only reason he would've said anything like that in the first place is if
- he's not joking, and actually thinks vegetarians are degenerates
- he is joking, but only insofar as his hostility goes

in all likelihood, he's apathetic towards vegetarianism (which is just as bad as being against it)

if he had any respect for the philosophy at all, he wouldn't have said it--vegetarians and vegetarian sympathizers don't ever speak ill of other vegetarians

it just doesn't happen--and why would it, if you considered the philosophy valid or poignant in some way

Killing plant life is just as immoral as killing animal life.

It's just a less ugly process.

A friend of mine mentioned this

Fact: millions of animals die every year being run over by combine harvesters in the US. Rabbits, snakes, rats, mice, moles, etc... millions of them. Pulled into combines, shredded to pieces, and killed, harvesting soybeans and wheat.

Vegans can go on and on for hours about how meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of THEIR dieting habits. And if combines aren't used to harvest the food, either it was harvested by people (probably migrant labourers being paid really bad wages and abused) or by humans with animal assistance (horses).

Now of course, the vegetarian response to this fact tends to be "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of their diet, but they're not even using the meat of the animals THEY kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill, not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere.
That makes vegans just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day, even worse I'd sat. Not only that, but they're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for the purpose of becoming food. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and they have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? Rich.

I would in fact argue that it is just as bad, because while it may not be 100% fully intentional, there's still room to improve, a lot. Why do meat industries get so much shit for not treating animals like holy beings in dairy farms and such, but no-one bats an eye at the fact that nothing is being done to prevent the deaths of all the innocent animals on the other end of the spectrum? Suddenly it's just a harmless statistic, a shrug of one's shoulders and an "iunno, doesn't matter".
As long as nothing isn't being actively done to prevent/lessen all the deaths caused by wheat farming and such, I will consider it just as "heartless and immoral" as the meat industry. Both ends could and should be improved.

I actually enjoy your posting quite a bit. You're easily one of the members on here I like most.

Quote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:05:54 PM

If he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.

the only reason he would've said anything like that in the first place is if
- he's not joking, and actually thinks vegetarians are degenerates
- he is joking, but only insofar as his hostility goes

in all likelihood, he's apathetic towards vegetarianism (which is just as bad as being against it)

if he had any respect for the philosophy at all, he wouldn't have said it--vegetarians and vegetarian sympathizers don't ever speak ill of other vegetarians

it just doesn't happen--and why would it, if you considered the philosophy valid or poignant in some way

I understand what you mean. I suppose I was getting at you more for your zero tolerance policy on anyone who disagrees with you on it, rather than you criticizing him for his own opinion/explanation of it. You would expect someone in his field to not just say something so generic and dismissive.

Quote from: Luciana on May 20, 2016, 09:01:43 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2016, 03:25:52 PM

used to like him until i saw this

YouTube

better film critic than philosopher

I hope you're not serious about the vegetarian thing.

stop being so self righteous

i would just expect a philosopher to not treat the subject with such a cavalier attitude

even if he was joking, the fact that he evens views it as a joke is disappointing as fuck

If he was joking, I don't see why it's a big deal unless he was specifically asked to talk about how he feels on the issue. I feel you may take it too serious.