I turn my blocker off for the few sites that I actually like. You don't need to uninstall the thing.

Yeah I could have done that but it doesn't fully eliminate the problem.

Yes because the issues of users complaining about how it force upgrades them anyway is exaggerated? Even if you could remove these issues permanently, why should you have to do so in the first place? Microsoft is aggressively trying to push their OS on people with or without their consent, and on just that fact alone, it is malware. This is ignoring the other facts about it's malware properties like third party information gathering and sending, and advertisement pushing. Even outside this man's page it follows definitions of malicious software in both adware and spyware.

What visual evidence do you want? I don't have W10 on my computer and I'm running an unactivated version of 8.1 so it pesters me to use a CD key over everything else. Why do you need visual presentation when the universal definitions of adware/spyware are good enough?

Because its not good enough and this case, you're wrong. Microsoft isn't aggressively pushing shit. As I said before telling Windows to choose when to install updates let alone not installing the update that triggers the Windows 10 upgrade exe file will prevent the upgrade from happening. It has to be set on Windows automatically updating for you, that isn't malware if your settings are set to automatic. I have a friend who also has his Windows update shit set to choose when to install and he never forcefully had to upgrade to Windows 10, it was ready for him, but he never pushed the button to do it, that is until I told him that its actually much better than Windows 8 or 8.1 since he stayed on 7 because of those 2, after that he went ahead and pushed the button and guess what, it had to download and extract everything, it doesn't just start up right away.

Maybe if more people knew about their fucking Windows update settings, this shit wouldn't have happened for people to conclude that its malware.

And another thing, you can actually opt out of sending data to Microsoft. This isn't a fucking new thing with Windows 10. This has existed in previous versions. You don't even need to have Cortana turned on, let alone your fucking location. All of that shit is optional. You can even install classic shell if you hate the new Start Menu design and layout.

For fucks sake. If Windows 10 is such malware, then why hasn't shit like malwarebytes gone off the charts with it? And don't even dare say that malwarebytes is malware, that's taking it too far.

Lol okay "Tell me how, but don't actually tell me."

Mainly the last points he makes.

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 09, 2016, 04:07:26 PM

Alright then since you wildly believe that Windows 10 is malware, provide proof then, and not in text either. Provide actual proof.

That website is highly inaccurate and I said visual evidence, this is again, someone else's dumbfounded opinion. If Microsoft was so eager to play the NSA's game, they wouldn't even need to develop a whole new OS for it.

Also. easy to remove being a no? Fucking lol. Its very easy to uninstall Windows 10 and go back to Windows 7, and its also very easy not to trigger the update to Windows 10 as well.

Its not my problem that people in this day and age are such massive computer illiterates and don't even bother configuring Windows update so it doesn't auto install each update, like I said, this can be avoided very easily if its that concerning.

With that said you might as well as argue that Windows 8 and 8.1 are also malware, since 10 isn't very different from 8 and 8.1 honestly.

FYI, I'm not on a consumer copy of Windows 10 and I didn't get it from Windows update, but regardless that website is nothing but full of bullshit. Not a reliable source.

My computer decided it would upgrade to Windows 10 on its own. It's really not that bad, even though I did have some issues with it yesterday.

Yeah the upgrades through Windows update are a hit or miss. I would get magic jellybean key finder and extract your product key, then using the Windows Media Tool Kit, make a backup disc or have the files on a flashdrive to clean install it, this is suggested if you're having issues.

Also, backup all of your shit first before you do that. I cannot stress that enough.

From Wikipedia's article on Malware:

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Malware, short for malicious software, is any software used to disrupt computer operations, gather sensitive information, gain access to private computer systems, or display unwanted advertising.[1] Malicious software was called computer virus before the term malware was coined in 1990 by Yisrael Radai.[2] The first category of malware propagation concerns parasitic software fragments that attach themselves to some existing executable content. The fragment may be machine code that infects some existing application, utility, or system program, or even the code used to boot a computer system.[3] Malware is defined by its malicious intent, acting against the requirements of the computer user, and does not include software that causes unintentional harm due to some deficiency.

Malware may be stealthy, intended to steal information or spy on computer users for an extended period without their knowledge, as for example Regin, or it may be designed to cause harm, often as sabotage (e.g., Stuxnet), or to extort payment (CryptoLocker). 'Malware' is an umbrella term used to refer to a variety of forms of hostile or intrusive software,[4] including computer viruses, worms, trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs. It can take the form of executable code, scripts, active content, and other software.[5] Malware is often disguised as, or embedded in, non-malicious files. As of 2011 the majority of active malware threats were worms or trojans rather than viruses.[6]

From their article on Adware, a specific branch of malware:

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The term adware is frequently used to describe a form of malware (malicious software)[19][20] which presents unwanted advertisements to the user of a computer.[21][22] The advertisements produced by adware are sometimes in the form of a pop-up or sometimes in an "unclosable window".

With these clear cut definitions, how is W10 NOT Malware? It presents unwanted advertisements to the user of a computer, in the form of a pop-up or an unclosable window, it sneaks into your non-W10 computer without your consent and tries install its program (W10) onto your system with either implied-consent or no consent at all. Computer technicians even refer to it as adware, it's objectively malicious software.

This has nothing to do with the pros and cons of the OS itself (which I still believe is nothing more than hot garbage) but what Microsoft has done on W7 and 8 computers is clearly a form of malware.

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 09, 2016, 03:55:31 PM

I normally don't like to agree with Das, but he's actually right this time.

That is by far the most retarded thing you have ever written. If Windows 10 is malware, this PC should have been fucked bone dry by now.

Clearly you've never actually had any REAL malware on your machine like I've had in the past. Real malware does damage, bad enough to the point where you may even need to clean install your entire OS if you're even lucky at that. The worst possible thing that can happen is if malware ends up accessing the BIOS and it flashes it. Then you are fucked. No clean install will ever save you from that happening.

Alright then since you wildly believe that Windows 10 is malware, provide proof then, and not in text either. Provide actual proof.

W10 is Malware, end of discussion. And I bet you that when July 29th rolls around, Microsoft is gonna make a comment like "Out of the kindness of our hearts, we'll extend the free upgrade campaign for another six months/up to another year." They are determined to infest one billion devices in the next 2-3 years with their malware and it would be in their advantage to do something like that.

I will NEVER have a W10 device. Ever. Microsoft is pushing their product on a brick wall and they need to give up. If I have to spend more money to stock pile CD keys of 8/8.1, so be it.

I normally don't like to agree with Das, but he's actually right this time.

That is by far the most retarded thing you have ever written. If Windows 10 is malware, this PC should have been fucked bone dry by now.

Clearly you've never actually had any REAL malware on your machine like I've had in the past. Real malware does damage, bad enough to the point where you may even need to clean install your entire OS if you're even lucky at that. The worst possible thing that can happen is if malware ends up accessing the BIOS and it flashes it. Then you are fucked. No clean install will ever save you from that happening.

Quote from: PsygnI on June 09, 2016, 10:48:04 AM

Put yer phone down and move to Wales.

That way there's no outside to bother you, and you can't "cheat" because there's no signal here anyway.

are people still not getting that OP is deci lmao

Maybe its best that they don't.

Not being me.

Win10 is fine you tin foil cucks. Nobody's knocking down my doors for raping lolis in Artificial Academy 2 and black helicopters aren't flying over my house just because TOR is on my computer.

- Gaius Dassius Bootsar

They also believe its an NSA monitoring device. If that were the case we would have been screwed since Windows 2000.

I'm not upgrading but I don't exactly have a choice when it comes to what is installed on a new PC so eh.
They'll finally get their pOS installed on something i own.

You know its really not as bad as you think, but to each his own.

Holy shit this thread is still going?

I thought we all knew Loaf was just Loaf posting.

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 09, 2016, 04:56:55 AM

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, I wouldn't say the rest of the world was in on it, but that's a whole separate mess I'd rather not get involved with.

You cannot ignore that aspect of it if you want to really review all of the facts. It is not a separate mess, but one that is linked to the main mess.

That is all I have to say. <3 you Deci

To be honest I don't even know what to believe anymore. I for one can't trust the media, can't trust what's out there on the internet even as far as things like this goes.

Wasn't there some Intel on all of this before it even happened and to this day still remains classified?

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 08, 2016, 11:31:22 PM

Quote from: Ginger on June 08, 2016, 03:29:49 PM

Deci, do you think that the organization that took responsibility for the attacks was just lying? Do you think they were being paid off by the US government? Do you also think the rest of the world was in on it?

As I stated in the OP what I believe doesn't matter. That doesn't mean I'm going to change what I believe however.

Actually, what you believe does matter if your belief is based off of incorrect information. You should be willing to change your belief if you are given evidence to the contrary. Refusing to answer my question leads me to think that you haven't thought about it that much, as the events of 9/11 had a GLOBAL backlash. Governments from all over the world imposed restrictive sanctioning measures against the guilty party. Intelligence agencies independent of the US confirmed these things as well. As a young boy who knew and still knows nothing about engineering and physics, your assumption that the buildings should not have fallen as quickly or in the way they did is just false. The planes didn't crash into them and then they immediately collapsed: the south tower took nearly an hour to collapse, and the north tower took over 1.5 hours to collapse.

So, if you are telling me that you think a large majority of the world also participated in this US conspiracy, then you are severely misguided. The fact that there were previous attempts on that target mean NOTHING. It was a symbol of American idealism, no shit they were targets. Refusing to believe evidence does not make you a free thinker, it makes you wrong. If you really reviewed the actual evidence, I think you would feel differently.

I know the towers didn't quickly topple down as if it was Jenga, Ging. It did take awhile, everyone knows that and I don't think anyone would argue that it went down quick as soon as the planes hit. I have read and heard the official story before, but I'm not one to quickly dismiss another possibility of what could have happened.

I'll take a look at the actual evidence itself again, but that doesn't mean I'm going to completely disregard the conspiracy theory in all of this. Also, I really don't want to argue about this, I only made the thread just to see where people stand when it comes to the poll. I wasn't expecting it to carry out to another page.

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 09, 2016, 03:45:02 AM

Quote from: Flee on June 09, 2016, 03:40:38 AM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 08, 2016, 11:31:22 PM

Quote from: Ginger on June 08, 2016, 03:29:49 PM

Deci, do you think that the organization that took responsibility for the attacks was just lying? Do you think they were being paid off by the US government? Do you also think the rest of the world was in on it?

As I stated in the OP what I believe doesn't matter. That doesn't mean I'm going to change what I believe however.

That is such a cop-out. What more evidence could you possibly need?

Call it what you will, but that's just what I believe. I made this poll to see what the majority would vote, and I wasn't surprised with the results.

Now we can continue to discuss this civilly, or we can have the thread locked.

Just doesn't seem as if you want to discuss this at all, civilly or not. No amount of evidence or rock solid proof will ever be enough for someone who casually ignores it all and makes it very clear that virtually nothing is going to change his mind. Still, no need to lock this thread.

The only reason why I said "or we can lock the thread" is it felt like it was going to turn into a major argument, which I'm currently not in the mood for. In fact, I don't even really make enough posts on this board alone because all it is just arguing here anyway. At least that's how I see it.

As for me casually ignoring it, its been over a decade, there is no need to make a huge debate about weather Islamic terrorists did it or that our own government did it. I only wanted to know what the majority was thinking, just to see what the answer was with this place.

And as I have said before, regardless of what happened, the real loss here are the people that died that day. Its a really horrible way to go. Either jumping to your death, burned alive, or heck even even getting crushed when the buildings go down.

I also have it at 25

mainly because that was the standard when we used to have UN games

UN games?

My autism is intensifying.