Quote from: LC on November 02, 2015, 04:10:46 PM

I never said you did, however Reach is another widely played Halo game that had a similar level of character customization that had to be unlocked through play time. Therefore it is an apt comparison when discussing Halo 5s cosmetic content and how much time must be sunk into the game to complete the cosmetic armory.

Okay sure, it's an apt comparison, but I'm not sure what the comparison achieves intellectually. Both are horrendously designed systems that require virtually no skill. A chimpanzee playing Reach could get to Inheritor provided he had enough time, and likewise, a rich chimpanzee could unlock all of Halo 5's cosmetics.

What exactly is your point here? That bullshit designs like this should be acceptable?

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The fact remains that in a game with a paid short cut you can complete your much larger cosmetic armory in less than half the time without paying a single dime than another game in the same franchise without the option for a paid short cut. This is not at all predatory.

Haha what? "You can get to level X in this bullshit system faster than this other bullshit system provided you have the money to pay for it. This is not at all predatory."

Are you even listening to yourself right now? You are comparing dogshit to cowshit my friend. You still haven't addressed my points on why we should have micro-transactions as consumers. Reach had a shitty system. We know. Again, why does adding micro-transactions to the shit heap aid anything?

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This fact alone shows that the games economy was not in any way altered to make the paid option most viable option to receive content.

I'm not even sure what this sentence is trying to convey. The pay-to-receive content option was implemented because consumers such as yourself and the Halo community in general became apathetic to the notion for some reason.

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You meant he same CD Projekt Red that's selling season passes and charging 25 USD individually for their expansions? Great double standard there m8.

My contention doesn't lie with season passes or expansions m9, provided they are supplied with enough content, which TW3 most certainly has. Straw-manning my argument doesn't achieve much.

Whether or not you like the system implemented is irrelevant. We're talking about a supposed "predatory system" that coerces people into paying money to achieve in game rewards. When you take into account that it's actually much easier to achieve more content in a significantly less amount of time in Halo 5 than it is in many other games that utilize the same system and forgo a paid short cut the notion that this paid short cut is predatory and coercing people into paying into it is pretty silly.

I was also under the assumption that you knew why a micro transaction short cut was implemented considering it's been well publicized for months now. All of Halo 5s post launch DLC is going to be free as a result of these micro transactions. A significant portion of the money made will be going back into the game, and because of this the majority of Halo players have no problem with it.

Halo 5 also has plenty of content already in the game with months worth of free content planned over the course of the games life time. What's your point? The only reason I brought up the season pass in the first place is because you brought up me saying that season passes aren't inherently a bad thing in a battlefront thread and used it as an example as to why I "suck the corporate cock".

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Quote from: LC on November 02, 2015, 12:29:39 PM

Also going to point out that Joe says "If you do good you'll get maybe 900 points per match". I guess Joe's definition of doing good is a .2 k/d because that's what shows up in the background. A normal warzone round for me nets about 2k req points.

Players that are pulling in 1k/2k a match will still need to clock in 400 odd hours required to complete every cosmetic. Joe explicitly takes a caveat to his playing ability and the capacity to earn req points later in the video. The system is deliberately implemented to have you spend more money than required, which was his entire point. It's predatory, and it's bullshit.

I'm not sure why you come crashing into these threads apologetically slogging the corporate phallus and their bullshit business practices. I've seen you do it for Battlefront, and it's honestly just laughable. I wouldn't be surprised if EA kept you on their payroll.

But go ahead and continue to hand wave off legitimate grievances with "hurr he's just a bumbling retard that has no idea how the industry works" if you actually want to continue reciprocating the standards that us as consumers shouldn't have to put up with.

Which is still less than what it would take to complete Reaches cosmetic armor while providing more content in that amount of time. It doesn't really matter if he says he's not good later in the video because he's using his ability as a measurement of what a good player would receive at the end of a match while doing his calculation on how long it would take to unlock everything. His calculations are just flat out wrong and he's positing them as 100% irrefutable fact.

If I "sucked on the corporate phallus" I'd be defending things like console, region, or pre-order exclusive in game content that has a tangible affect on the game or the practice of cutting up a game and selling cut pieces later for a premium. You know, stuff that actually hurts the consumer.

No, a season pass that lets you pre-order DLC for a discout price, map packs, expansions, or any other content that is not developed as part of the base game is not "cutting up and selling pieces later for a premium". Destiny is a prime example of a real case of "disk locked content"  as both TDB and HoW contained content that had not only been advertised at E3 as part of the game, but were already 90% ready to go on disc and could be glitched into well before they launched.

As it stands the 60 USD (or your regional equivalent) price point for a new AAA game can not support the industry. The price for games has gone down dramatically and the demands of the consumer have risen dramatically. It requires more money to develop a game that consumers are satisfied with for AAA games than ever before so developers and publishers need to diversify revenue in order to stay afloat.

If Joe had any "legitimate grievances to hand wave" I can assure you that I wouldn't be the one hand waving them. However as it stands he's just being an entitled crybaby that thinks he's more important and knows much more than he actually does.  I mean I really hate using the word entitled to describe someone, but this AAA devs should be giving away everything for free while I refuse to pay a fair price for the type of games I demand mentality can only be described as it.

I never posited the notion that Reach was an ultimate paragon for the Halo experience, so I'm not really sure why you keep appealing to it. It too has a horrendously designed ranking system that is predicated on how much time you have on your hands, not the skills you can apply to the game. Except this time with Halo 5 it's stylised in a manner that renders it more appealing to spend money on micro-transactions rather than taking the time (which requires virtually no skills whatsoever) to complete.

It doesn't matter if his calculations are off, as he and I have already told you, because the parameters required to complete all cosmetics still remains (3 million req points). Even hardcore uber skilled Halo players are going to have a difficult time being a completionist in less than 300-400 hours.

There is nothing 'entitled' about demanding a game not have bullshit exploitative business practices in an attempt to chip away at the player's wallets. Your point about the industry not being able to sustain itself on a heavily customer centric platform for 60 dollars a pop is absolutely nonsensical. CD Projekt Red has managed to do such a thing in TW3 with half the resources of 343 and no big daddy parenting company to keep them afloat either. Your argument is hogwash.

I never said you did, however Reach is another widely played Halo game that had a similar level of character customization that had to be unlocked through play time. Therefore it is an apt comparison when discussing Halo 5s cosmetic content and how much time must be sunk into the game to complete the cosmetic armory. The fact remains that in a game with a paid short cut you can complete your much larger cosmetic armory in less than half the time without paying a single dime than another game in the same franchise without the option for a paid short cut. This is not at all predatory. This fact alone shows that the games economy was not in any way altered to make the paid option most viable option to receive content.

You meant he same CD Projekt Red that's selling season passes and charging 25 USD individually for their expansions? Great double standard there m8.

Quote from: LC on November 02, 2015, 12:29:39 PM

Also going to point out that Joe says "If you do good you'll get maybe 900 points per match". I guess Joe's definition of doing good is a .2 k/d because that's what shows up in the background. A normal warzone round for me nets about 2k req points.

Players that are pulling in 1k/2k a match will still need to clock in 400 odd hours required to complete every cosmetic. Joe explicitly takes a caveat to his playing ability and the capacity to earn req points later in the video. The system is deliberately implemented to have you spend more money than required, which was his entire point. It's predatory, and it's bullshit.

I'm not sure why you come crashing into these threads apologetically slogging the corporate phallus and their bullshit business practices. I've seen you do it for Battlefront, and it's honestly just laughable. I wouldn't be surprised if EA kept you on their payroll.

But go ahead and continue to hand wave off legitimate grievances with "hurr he's just a bumbling retard that has no idea how the industry works" if you actually want to continue reciprocating the standards that us as consumers shouldn't have to put up with.

Which is still less than what it would take to complete Reaches cosmetic armor while providing more content in that amount of time. It doesn't really matter if he says he's not good later in the video because he's using his ability as a measurement of what a good player would receive at the end of a match while doing his calculation on how long it would take to unlock everything. His calculations are just flat out wrong and he's positing them as 100% irrefutable fact.

If I "sucked on the corporate phallus" I'd be defending things like console, region, or pre-order exclusive in game content that has a tangible affect on the game or the practice of cutting up a game and selling cut pieces later for a premium. You know, stuff that actually hurts the consumer.

No, a season pass that lets you pre-order DLC for a discout price, map packs, expansions, or any other content that is not developed as part of the base game is not "cutting up and selling pieces later for a premium". Destiny is a prime example of a real case of "disk locked content"  as both TDB and HoW contained content that had not only been advertised at E3 as part of the game, but were already 90% ready to go on disc and could be glitched into well before they launched.

As it stands the 60 USD (or your regional equivalent) price point for a new AAA game can not support the industry. The price for games has gone down dramatically and the demands of the consumer have risen dramatically. It requires more money to develop a game that consumers are satisfied with for AAA games than ever before so developers and publishers need to diversify revenue in order to stay afloat.

If Joe had any "legitimate grievances to hand wave" I can assure you that I wouldn't be the one hand waving them. However as it stands he's just being an entitled crybaby that thinks he's more important and knows much more than he actually does.  I mean I really hate using the word entitled to describe someone, but this AAA devs should be giving away everything for free while I refuse to pay a fair price for the type of games I demand mentality can only be described as it.

yay

Quote from: Mrs. Kitsune on November 02, 2015, 01:31:49 PM

avoided ever becoming a fruitcake wooo!

and uh erm... wut

Christmas cake

In Japan women are considered undesirable or unmarriageable after 30 pr something. These women usually end up with westerners because we don't give a shit if a woman is single in her 30's.


OT: Congrats kits

Also going to point out that Joe says "If you do good you'll get maybe 900 points per match". I guess Joe's definition of doing good is a .2 k/d because that's what shows up in the background. A normal warzone round for me nets about 2k req points.

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Locke is a somewhat likeable character.

Ha

Oh, that's funny.

You're a strange man

Locke is the least-likeable guy on Osiris.

Well the only other guy on Osiris is Buck, so it's not like he had a chance.

I made a dick joke in the middle of a religious flame war back on b.old when discussion about religion was banned. All of the people flinging shit at each other over religion got off scot-free though.

Bobcast doesn't like dick jokes I guess.

Already discussed in the general. The only valid point he makes is something that everyone and their mother said a week ago once again proving that he can't do anything except for scream like an angry retard unless he has material to steal from other people.

Also the unwarranted sense of self importance is real in this video.

He didn't. He even recorded himself looking up weeks/months old news about Halo 5 regarding splitscreen and forge.

Or he did and then pretended he didn't so he could put up a video showing off his fake outrage.

The only time you see a legit angry joe being angry joe is when Nintendo takes his sheckles.

Joe is a fucking moron though.

Basically this.

He has no fucking clue how games are made, how the industry works, or what kind of state it's in.

My American likes to hump peoples legs.

wat

Nice Cherry picking bro.

Looks fine from what I've seen.

Quote from: LC on November 01, 2015, 10:59:57 AM

Das why...

You don't like your present?

You'll probably dig up some futa Ayako if I don't accept it.

I'm going to be honest, I don't even know who the authors are for over half of the books I own. I just pick up and read what I find to be interesting.