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« on: December 16, 2014, 08:10:23 PM »
I see North Koreans aren't familiar with the Streisand Effect.
2762
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:53:44 PM »
Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.
I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit.
Spoiler Any argument for censorship is one that can be used against you by someone else.
If that's honestly how you felt about it, I would say that you were will within your right.
...So... You failed.
And this site would promptly turn to shit.
2763
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:46:18 PM »
Now, if it was being censored out of saying the word "FUCK" or "CUNT" or "FAGGOT" or anything else, then I'd agree with you. Censorship of words is petty, but again, I wouldn't even call this censorship.
I think you should be banned for this post. Those words are gross, homophobic, and sexist. I don't think Cheat should allow those words on here. I don't want them to represent the Sep7agon community. Its like like a filter for a fish tank. I don't want to swim in shit. Spoiler Any argument for censorship is one that can be used against you by someone else.
2764
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:45:48 AM »
Charlie Brown one gets me every time.
2765
« on: December 16, 2014, 01:56:12 AM »
You'd think people would realize we're not in News. As if that matters, or what? I figured they'd just post it here because this is where most people are.
the part about driving out the furries or whatever, the last sentence. Okay, now I'm just fucking confused...
2766
« on: December 16, 2014, 01:46:24 AM »
For fucks fuxking sake. Apparently community opinion means nothing now anymore. Good job guys, well done listening to what people thought. I'm starting to understand why people think the mod selection here is fucking terrible.
I'm pretty sure anarchy gets more people anyway.
It's a joke 
You'd think people would realize we're not in News.
2767
« on: December 15, 2014, 08:11:19 PM »
If you are fine with this getting pulled I don't see how you could argue against GTA being pulled. i wouldn't argue against GTA being pulled either
i wouldn't be for it, by any means, but all i'm saying is... i can't find it within me to care that much if the game doesn't have any artistic merit (or... personal merit, in GTA's case)
Meh. Fair enough. Like I said personally I couldn't care less about Hatred itself. Just the idea of saying ' this game is not ok' doesn't sit well with me.
2768
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:22:51 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
Then why do they allow Postal?
How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.
Where did I say otherwise?
Am I being argumentative? I'm sorry about that >.>
But the statement:
Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it? Seems to imply that if Steam doesn't sell it, no one is allowed to buy it. It's giving Valve more authority than they have as a business.
Probably should have phrased that better.
Should Valve be deciding what that line is for their customers (as the largest outlet for PC gaming).
What's wrong with people who don't like the game not buying it?
I don't think it's 'deciding what that line is for their customers' so much as 'what's better for their public image?'
This is a game that's inevitably going to be talked about on 24/7 news channels and the like complaining about the alleged 'evils' of video games. Valve (wisely) doesn't want Steam to be part of that discussion.
I'd agree it probably makes some business sense for Valve to play the safe route. I don't think it'd threaten them in any meaningful way though. In fact in the long run I think this makes less sense since they've opened themselves up to pulling all manner of games that cross line for different groups. If you give a mouse a cookie...
2769
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:15:02 PM »
IIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.
I could be wrong though <.<
Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.
I'm not saying that it should be banned because they might be nazis, I'm just saying I'm not crying over lost shekels that would go to their pockets.
The game is just bad news for everyone, it's more ammo to the soccer moms association of funkilling for example. And I bet Jack fucking Thompson squealed with delight when he saw the reveal trailer <____<
It looks like it will be funny because of how badly they are trying to be edgy with it, but short of cringe factor material there isn't a lot it has going for it.
Meh I don't disagree with any of this, but I also think pulling it from steam is more ammo for the people trying to get games like GTA pulled from store shelves.
I'd rather stay consistent with my views than change them on a game per game basis.
yes, exactly. The art style and tone of a game are what makes the game funny, or just plain edgy and plain wrong. you can laugh off a moment in postal because of the art style of the game, and how the protagonist constantly pushes out 80's 1 liners. Hatred is TOO realistic for people to be comfortable with, and TOO dark for the general masses. it was advertised as an edgy, dark, realistic mass murder simulator, unlike postal which was advertised as a funny over the top "do what you want" game.
I disagree.
well you're wrong. it's an objective fact that the graphics and art style of a game change the feel of a game. for example, try to imagine Conker's Bad Fur Day, remade today without the censoring, and being a realistic game, no cartoon blood, and the music being replaced with generic heavy metal. it's a completely different game when you change an art style and feel of the game.
Graphics and tone absolutely play a major role in how a game is received. I disagree that one is acceptable and that one is not.
2770
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:13:16 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
Then why do they allow Postal?
How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.
Where did I say otherwise?
Am I being argumentative? I'm sorry about that >.>
But the statement:
Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it? Seems to imply that if Steam doesn't sell it, no one is allowed to buy it. It's giving Valve more authority than they have as a business.
Probably should have phrased that better. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for their customers (as the largest outlet for PC gaming). What's wrong with people who don't like the game not buying it? How is this different from other extremely violent games on steam?
2771
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:07:54 PM »
IIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.
I could be wrong though <.<
Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.
I'm not saying that it should be banned because they might be nazis, I'm just saying I'm not crying over lost shekels that would go to their pockets.
The game is just bad news for everyone, it's more ammo to the soccer moms association of funkilling for example. And I bet Jack fucking Thompson squealed with delight when he saw the reveal trailer <____<
It looks like it will be funny because of how badly they are trying to be edgy with it, but short of cringe factor material there isn't a lot it has going for it.
Meh I don't disagree with any of this, but I also think pulling it from steam is more ammo for the people trying to get games like GTA pulled from store shelves. I'd rather stay consistent with my views than change them on a game per game basis. yes, exactly. The art style and tone of a game are what makes the game funny, or just plain edgy and plain wrong. you can laugh off a moment in postal because of the art style of the game, and how the protagonist constantly pushes out 80's 1 liners. Hatred is TOO realistic for people to be comfortable with, and TOO dark for the general masses. it was advertised as an edgy, dark, realistic mass murder simulator, unlike postal which was advertised as a funny over the top "do what you want" game.
I disagree.
2772
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:03:09 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
Then why do they allow Postal?
How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.
Where did I say otherwise?
2773
« on: December 15, 2014, 06:58:38 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
Then why do they allow Postal?
Postal is a COMPLETELY different level, the biggest difference is that it's the cartoony type of gore that is in line with conker's bad fur day, Hatred takes the realistic approach, and advertised that as one of it's main points. In this day and age, games like this are also just a bad influence on gaming in general. The only reason people approve of Postal is because it hams up the hyper gore and makes it funny.
So the games could be exactly the same, but one artstyle/tone is not ok?
2774
« on: December 15, 2014, 06:55:45 PM »
Censorship is bad, I'll say that to the day I die, but I mean...
what value would the game have
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it was the most tryhard piece of dogshit i've ever, ever seen
Again just because it is a tryhard piece of dogshit (and it absolutely is) doesn't seem like an excuse. If you are fine with this getting pulled I don't see how you could argue against GTA being pulled. I guess I'm more worried about the precedent it sets.
2775
« on: December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts.
Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA? I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
2776
« on: December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PM »
"Censorship"
There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring the game from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do. Its annoying how often that comic is misused.
2777
« on: December 15, 2014, 06:43:26 PM »
The game did make me uncomfortable. And right now is not the time to make a game like that.
But... I know that censoring it is the wrong thing to do.
I think what bothers me most is that the game was advertised as being edgy rather than a fun game.
I completely understand not liking the game. Or finding it offensive. I don't understand the censorship. Neogaf has banned all discussion of the game. And right now is not the time to make a game like that. This is always a bs excuse for me. IIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.
I could be wrong though <.<
Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.
2779
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:19:54 AM »
God damn.
That's a hell of a wanking hand.
2780
« on: December 14, 2014, 10:31:41 PM »
Best Weeb Best Furry (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞ Best emoticons ;P Best Drama Starter Best Shitposter Most Banned Best Avatar Best Custom Nameplate Best plug.dj DJ Most British Best Shipped Couple Worst Alt GOTY  All I got off the top of muh head.
2781
« on: December 14, 2014, 12:31:59 PM »
Still haven't finished A Memory of Light (last Wheel of Time book).
Keep putting it off cuz I kinda don't want to finish the series yet.
2782
« on: December 14, 2014, 12:24:49 PM »
Frelling love that show.
2783
« on: December 14, 2014, 01:06:27 AM »
Huh. Wonder why this never showed up in my feed.
2784
« on: December 14, 2014, 12:54:01 AM »
Keyu = Machiavelli
Well this won't help my ego at all.
2785
« on: December 13, 2014, 11:44:31 PM »
I watched Angel Beats and didn't feel even the slightest flicker of an emotion.
Spoiler Nah, I'm lying out my ass. I was crying my eyes out. 
2786
« on: December 13, 2014, 11:39:23 PM »
Watch Sora no Woto.
Sounds good. I'll add it to the queue. Kappa Mikey is objectively the best anime
lel I remember that show.
2787
« on: December 13, 2014, 11:16:10 PM »
What part did the feels hit you the hardest?
Spoiler Iwasawa was bad. Then Yui got me hard.
But when Kanade revealed she had the heart transplant I was like: (´；Д；｀).
Listen, listen reaaaaal good.
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« on: December 13, 2014, 11:12:54 PM »
I have another recommendation if you're interested. It's similar to Angel Beats, but I think the drama was more subtle and well executed.
Go for it. Always up for more recommendations. Though my list is already massive so it might take me a while to get to it.
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« on: December 13, 2014, 10:59:13 PM »
What part did the feels hit you the hardest?
Spoiler Iwasawa was bad. Then Yui got me hard.
But when Kanade revealed she had the heart transplant I was like: (´；Д；｀).
2790
« on: December 13, 2014, 10:48:56 PM »
WTF am I suppose to do with all these now? Fuck. Props to Psy. It was a good recommendation.....jerk.
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