I just use CCleancer and Defrag to keep my shit up to speed.

If you formatted your shit and it's still slow then you might have a hardware issue. Is your HDD old? They do get slower over time.

EDIT: nvm your shit is fine.

Well everything looked as if I was wearing shades for a few minutes and it definitely felt much cooler, but I wasn't able to see it directly as every store was sold out of glasses. Made an indirect viewer with a cereal box and watched it like that.

Too bad I'm not just a little bit further south.

is that the tail or a butt plug

i too play minecraft

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that vaporwave rbg

Quote from: Aether on August 14, 2017, 10:00:36 PM

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Does anyone really believe these people would be allowed to affect the political landscape to that extent?

Yes, because not opposing the opposition is how you lose political power.

I didn't say to not oppose them, just to stop taking them seriously. If a white-nationalist candidate runs for some office then of course, by all means, elect their opposition. These people are a fringe minority. Despite what some people would like to believe, the majority of the right are not actually nazis.

You're gonna have to a bit more specific than just say we should "stop taking them seriously". Their movements appear to be gaining more traction and growing in boldness and numbers. You throw enormous mountains of evidence of climate change at people, and the US now has an open climate change denier as its leader who's withdrawing from CC conventions, repealing environment protection rules, removing government funded evidence from the white house resources and instating a cabinet that opposes climate change measures. You ignore anti-vaxx idiots and shower them with reasons as to why they're wrong on all media and in public demonstrations, and still preventable diseases are making a comeback because the anti-vaxx movement is continuing to grow.

It's easy to say that they just shouldn't be taken seriously and that we should treat them as a joke. But at any given time, there's thousands upon thousands of (often young and impressionable) people who end up watching propaganda youtube videos, seeing misleading political memes, reading downright false posts on Facebook, Twitter and social media groups, or being fed bullshit by others on forums or chats. And every single day, a good number of people seeing this drivel will go "you know what, they have a point". And they turn away from reputable sources in favor of slanted youtube videos and shitty alternative "news" outlets. "My side is 100% right and the only one that knows the truth, while the other is 100% wrong and the enemy that needs to be defeated so things can become better again". They enter an echo chamber and surround themselves with people who will confirm their views and biases, and they will continue to detest and exclude any other viewpoints to the point that the only time they see or hear anything of these other people is when they see clips of masked antifa activists macing "their people" and chanting violent slogans.

It's easy to say that just ignoring the problem is going to make it go away or amount to nothing. That they should just be treated as a joke. But they're a rabbit hole. These people don't start as literal neo-nazis, thinking they're genetically superior and that white is right. It starts small. A misleading facebook post here, some fake news there, the occasional political meme oversimplying an issue and showing how the "others" are morons incapable of grasping common sense... It's a seed that's planted. And then it's watered with a lot of confirmation bias. "Have you heard that this news site made a mistake in an article? Yeah man, fake news, the lot of it. All biased and MSM left wing propaganda. Best stay away from them and stick to reputable sites bringing you the real news, like RadicalConservativeNews.com or BanAllLiberals.blogspot.com". And then they're made to feel like they're under attack and threatened. "Yeah man, we were just protesting peacefully in our combat gear carrying torches, bats, rocks and shields while chanting DEATH TO ANTIFA so we were really not doing anything (this guy who thinks just like us and has been on our team for ages and just drove his car into a crowd wasn't really part of us, just so you know) but then we were maced because we're being censored and everyone hates free speech but us".

And at that point, the propaganda really takes hold. Blatant misrepresentations and poor understanding of statistics lead to them just eating up anything and everything. Jews are controlling the world and are planning to get rid of the white race. Foreigners only want to rape and pillage ("have you even SEEN what happens in SWEDEN AND GERMANY??") and impose sharia law everywhere. Nazism isn't that bad and the holocaust really is just exaggerated (just look at these debunked reports from widely discredited "researchers"). Their marches are innocent because they have titles such as "unity" and "freedom" in them, so there's no harm here. We are the good guys here. They're regressive and want to keep the truth hidden so that they can force anyone to fall in line with their emotions and lies.

There's a lot less moderation and center remaining. It's a lot easier now to get radicalized and learn to hate the other. The most extreme drag the rest down with them on both sides. Fascism doesn't happen overnight. Extremist ideas become increasingly normalized. So people pick sides. And they're not all rabid racists and nazis. But they do slowly side with them. Because they're still "their people" fighting the good fight against "the other". And it's very easy for these impressionable people who are already into the shithole to be told that "nooo, we're not REAL nazis, that's fake news! We just want to protect the white heritage and our conservative rights against the enemy who will subjugate us all if we don't do something soon. That's not unreasonable is it?" It's easy to forget, but I think you underestimate how easy it is for these hateful ideals to slowly take hold under the guise of something else entirely.

Again, I didn't say to ignore the problem. I didn't say to not oppose them. I said to stop taking them seriously as a threat to western values. There's a major difference between treating someone as a joke and ignoring them. You can't laugh at something you don't pay attention to.

These people believe they're at war with the left. The left needs to stop giving them that war. More and more of these young impressionable right leaning kids are falling prey to white-nationalist ideology because they are beginning to feel ostracized by left leaning ideologues who, despite not being an actual majority in society, have a very loud and far reaching voice. And yes, confirmation bias is a problem and we should be looking to sort out this issue with 'fake news.' We desperately need more honest journalism.

The vast majority of people just want what is reasonable. Both left and right extremes need to be portrayed as unreasonable as they are. But we don't need to put it into young left leaning kids heads that there's a war going on against the right, That white nationalism is somehow on the verge of taking over the west, and that they need to be out there fighting Nazis.

So yes, turn them into a laughing stock. Make them out to be the fools that they are. That doesn't mean to not take any threats of violence seriously, or to not have oversight over what they're doing. But stop acting like they're going to sway the vast majority of reasonable people in the west. Stop acting like a white ethno-state is a possibility. The left needs to do this to the extreme right as much as the right needs to do this to the extreme left. Both sides are radicalizing more people because both sides are acting like the majority of the other is composed of its extreme, and as if that extreme is on the verge of taking over the state instead of treating each extreme like the fringe minority that it is.

By taking the extreme right so seriously, you don't prevent young kids from joining it, but what you do is exacerbate the number of kids joining the extreme left. And that goes the other way as well. If this continues, eventually the extremes won't be so much of a fringe minority anymore.

As I said before, one side is going to have to take the initiative to deescalate. Otherwise the polarization is going to continue to grow, and the violence is only going to get worse.

Quote from: Aether on August 14, 2017, 02:03:18 PM

All we had to do was laugh at these goons and not take them seriously. .  They had fucking tiki torches ffs.

Let's laugh that nazi loving fuckwits run people over with cars and assault people and spread hate under the guise of "muh free speech".

There is a difference between laughing at a retired KKK member who's a joke, and millennials actively protesting and inciting violence.

I'm not telling anyone to laugh at the attack ffs, that should be obvious. One individual's actions are not a true representation of the ideology as a whole and that is what I am talking about. Their ideology.

You certainly can't fight violence with more violence, and I think giving them so much attention is exactly what they want. Don't give them the fight they're looking for. People have a right to counter protest but it only escalates the violence. These people are a joke. Their hateful rhetoric only has power if society allows it to have power. Let them have their rally, let them spout their nonsense, but don't take their ideology seriously. That doesn't mean to ignore any possible threat of violence and law enforcement should absolutely have oversight to any events they hold, it just means to stop focusing on white nationalism so much and empowering their movement by showing that society sees their ideology as a serious threat to its values. Does anyone really believe these people would be allowed to affect the political landscape to that extent? Does anyone actually think that a white ethno-state is a real possibility? They've manage to help Trump get elected. That's about it. What they ultimately want is utterly unrealistic and will never happen.

One side is going to have to take the initiate to deescalate. One side is going to have to say, "hey maybe we should just sit this one out." because things are only going to get worse otherwise.

So apparently his memo was a response to a diversity meeting google held where they asked for responses?

I think it's pretty fucked that google wouldn't allow criticism of their policy by their employees. If they disagree with the criticism they receive, then refute the points it makes. Allow everyone to put forth their ideas and let them duke it out intellectually to see which ideas can endure. Firing the guy was truly pathetic to me, regardless of how many people complained about the memo. Especially if it really was written as a response to a meeting in which they asked for responses.

There's a major issue with your list. All of those people are members of sep7.

I think it's pretty embarassing that you've allegedly spent so much time thinking about how to define art and you come up with something like that. Something that lacks both an artist to create said art [the two cannot be separated] and any inherent meaning. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this perspective stems from psychedelic drug use of some kind. Am I wrong?

I have a very significant passion for creating art. I think anyone who gets to know me well enough can see that very clearly. My view on this is not a result of drug use and it's very disappointing that, again, someone is trying to stigmatize my views in that way.

My views of what constitutes art are entirely rooted in my contemplation of the idea of art. My perspective does not negate the individual standards and interests I have when it comes to art. There are plenty of things that do not strike me, personally, as art but I recognize that I do not define what is art for other people. That ultimately art is defined individually, and what I may not perceive as art, someone else might. Ergo it seems true to me that virtually anything can be perceived as art so long as a single person exists to perceive it as such. That thing may only be art in the mind of a single person in existence, but one is all it takes. I'm very much of the mindset that nature itself can be and is an artist. My view of art is such that it does not require a sentient creation, but merely a sentient interpretation.

You can shit all over my perspective all you want to but it isn't going to sway my understanding of an idea that appears to me so clearly. It may be a simple perspective but I don't see how it's unreasonable at all. If anything is even remotely embarrassing here, it's that you seem to be incapable of entertaining the idea I've presented and respectfully disagreeing, instead of acting stricken by it to the point that you have to say it's embarrassing.

Honestly, your perspective is perfectly reasonable to me, I just define art differently than you do.

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Quote from: Snake on August 12, 2017, 10:35:13 PM

I think of art in a much broader sense than that. Basically if someone has artistic intentions, I'd consider it art. Making a statement with your clothing, for example.

What about aesthetic forms in nature? Fractal geometry for instance, something that can absolutely instill some emotion or idea in someone, is essentially nothing more than looped mathematical functions.

I wouldn't consider that art. Art necessitates artistic intention.

Well I disagree entirely I guess. Reality is art to me. Virtually anything can be perceived as art, and in my eyes, so long as a single person exists to perceive something as art then it's art.

When you can apply a definition to "virtually anything", the definition is flawed. It doesn't actually encapsulate anything. Reality can be beautiful, but there's nothing artistic about it.

I think your definition could use some work.

You can't objectively define something that is subjective. My definition is perfectly reasonable.

I think of art in a much broader sense than that. Basically if someone has artistic intentions, I'd consider it art. Making a statement with your clothing, for example.

What about aesthetic forms in nature? Fractal geometry for instance, something that can absolutely instill some emotion or idea in someone, is essentially nothing more than looped mathematical functions.

Days don't actually get longer in the summer and shorter in the winter. They get longer in the winter and shorter in the summer.