You wouldn't last in a metal community

is that a challenge?

i'll join a metal forum, and in their introduction thread, i'll post something like, "Hi, I'm Verb. I've been a fan of metal music for some time now. These are my favorite bands:"

And then discreetly attach "Tool" in there somewhere.

do you think people would die if i did that

Did I ever say otherwise?

No

but that's why it's stupid to argue

because that's exactly what i've been saying

i don't care about subgenres--at alllllll

I said "some classical music will be completely different from other classical music".

so right there

in that very sentence, you are conceding that all classical music is classical music
no matter what subgenre it is

Why would someone ever go to Wikipedia for music?

so i can learn about music

so if wikipedia is generally not a good source for music genres

why don't you edit it

that's what wikipedia is for

apparently music snobs are really, really stupid

it almost seems like you just don't WANT tool to be metal

Tool is objectively not Metal

you've done an unbelievably shitty job of proving that

in fact... you didn't

You seem to forget that I don't care what you think. Nor does anyone else.

okay

Tool is metal.

get pissed please

HAHA no. A "sub sandwich" is not the same as a "burger". That is a fact.

and you're an idiot if you think that's what i'm saying

a sub is not a burger
a sub is a sandwich
a burger is a sandwich
a sub and a burger are both sandwiches

this is first grade shit

Oh I forgot to add that most Modern Prog had a tendency to "mature", but it depends. Tool is hard to classify because they have a unique sound, but I mostly hear Progressive Rock and Grunge.

and i hear metal

so what

someone said progressive metal? i think that's a reasonable classification, given your description
but that would still make it metal in a broad sense

But it's different from a burger, and especially different from an open face sandwich, which I argue isn't even a sandwich at all.

if it's not a sandwich, but it has "sandwich" in its name, it's called a misnomer
i don't know what an open face sandwich is, so i'll ignore that example

i consider burgers sandwiches too.

what i'm getting from this is that you people just don't like speaking in broad terms when it comes to music.
...i do. i don't see why it's even a big deal

THEY ARE NOT, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SUBGENRES.

Did you not read the rest of the post explaining how or why? THE CORE OF MUSICAL THEORY IS BASED AROUND GENRES AND THE STRUCTURE OF MUSIC AND IS EXACTLY WHY CLASSICAL MUSIC HAS SUBGENRES. The classical music of Bach is not going to be the same as that of Claude Debussy BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND MUSICAL STRUCTURE.

that's like saying a sub isn't a sandwich

because it's a sub, not a sandwich

Second of all, I don't really give a shit about genres in the grand scheme of things, but they help classify what music you like. That way, instead of saying "hey I would like some metal recs" and getting Tool as a response, you can say "Hey I like Black Metal and Doom Metal, favorites are Darkthrone and Candlemass, recs?"

i agree, if you wanted to listen to black metal or doom metal and got tool as a response, that would be obnoxious

good thing i never said anything about black metal or doom metal

Theoretically, yes

Well, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

So, what about people like me?

You know, people who don't give a cunt about the tempo or the fucking time signature or any of that shit? What would I ask? Because if I asked for metal, and you gave me Tool, I'd be happy. If you gave me Iron Maiden, I'd be just as happy. Because they're like Tool, but different!

you're acting like i'm trying to say justin bieber is metal

You DO realize there are also different genres of classical music, right? Romantic, Baroque, etc?

yes

but they're still classical music

just like tool is just a different kind of metal, but it's still metal

it's just like... so, so, so obvious to me that tool is metal

one of those things where it's hard to explain without sounding too condescending?
because i'd have to use very basic terms

I don't care what YOU think because the MAJORITY thinks you are wrong.

the majority of people are religious
arguments from majority mean nothing to me, and i refuse to blindly follow majority

Metal is something more easily described through the music, but a band like Infest is all about speed, violence, anger, hatred, sloppiness, and politically charged lyrics.

you... you mean like tool?

Metal is not politically charge most of the time, or if it is it's more subdued. Metal was about creating a thematic idea akin to Horror films and high fantasy. Black Sabbath's self titled song is more or less a horror movie in song form. It is not meant to be fast, angry, or anything.  It's just slow, heavy, and evil sounding. Incantation is taking what Black Sabbath did and putting a shitload more distortion on it, using a different vocal style, and making it slightly faster in some places. Incantation is the same idea but more advanced in its development.

so why cant tool be just another one of those subversions of metal

Tool does not straddle the line, it simply is NOT Metal. Their themes, composition, vocals, instrumentation, etc. do not fit with the Metal framework.

thats all you're doing is saying that they don't

but i see it very plainly