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Serious / Sanders releases healthcare plan before debate
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:44:00 PM »
Story

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CHARLESTON, S.C. (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders released details on Sunday evening about his "Medicare-for-all" universal healthcare funding plan and how he would pay for it.

The plan was released hours before Sanders was to square off in a Democratic presidential debate in Charleston, South Carolina, against Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and front-runner for the Democratic nomination, and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley.

Clinton's campaign had taken aim at Sanders in recent days, saying the U.S. senator from Vermont had not said how he plans to pay for his healthcare plan and that he needed to before the first party-nominating contest in Iowa on Feb. 1.

Sanders said that expanding Medicare, a government-run program that insures the elderly, would save $6 trillion over the next 10 years when compared with the current system, which was established by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law, the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

Individuals would pay a 2.2 percent "premium" and employers would pay a 6.2 percent payroll tax to fund the healthcare plan. Individuals making $250,000 to $500,000 a year would pay a tax rate of 37 percent and those making more than $10 million would pay a 52 percent tax rate, according to details provided about the plan.

The average annual healthcare costs for a working U.S. family are nearly $5,000 in insurance premiums and another $1,300 on deductibles for care that is not covered, Sanders' campaign said.

Under Sanders' plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay $466 to the Medicare program, saving roughly $6,000 per year, the campaign said.

Clinton favors building on the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare, and has said Sanders' state-administered plan would jeopardize the healthcare of those with Republican governors. Sanders has said the federal government would intervene in such a scenario.

"It would be a mistake to really thrust our country into another contentious national debate about how we're going to provide quality, affordable healthcare to everybody," Clinton told CNN's "State of the Union" program on Sunday.

Sanders defended his forthcoming proposal on the same CNN program.

"I believe healthcare is a right for all people; it will be politically difficult to achieve, but I will maintain that vision and fight for it," Sanders said.

Sanders last week tweeted a 1993 photo of himself and Clinton signed by the then-first lady, who was waging her own fight for universal healthcare, which thanked him for his commitment to "real access to healthcare for all Americans."

Aaaand the young will eat this up without understanding the mechanics.

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Serious / GOP Candidate Analysis (Updated)
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:08:39 PM »
With just under three weeks until the Iowa Caucuses kick off the primary season, thought it would be a bit interesting to run down the list of 12 remaining GOP candidates and see where they currently stand in terms of Iowa, New Hampshire, and overall standing in the race for the nomination, along wth potential impact going into the future.

Going to start at the bottom and work my way up the list of candidates. Each analysis will be in a spoiler so you all can just pick and choose who you read about, if you'd like.

Jim Gilmore
Former governor of Virginia, not that it makes any difference because Gilmore's impact in the 2016 race is the equivalent to a drop of water in the ocean. He does not register on any polls, he has to yet to appear at any of the debates (Even for the undercard table), and he has received only one endorsement, from a state senator of New Hampshire. Expect to see him quietly drop out sometime in the near future, with zero impact on the race going forward.

Rick Santorum & Mike Huckabee
Lumping these two candidates together, as they are remarkably similar in their campaigns this time around. Rick Santorum, a former United States Senator from Pennsylvania, and Mike Huckabee, a former governor of Arkansas, are both return candidates. Santorum ran in 2012 and actually put up a moderate challenge to Romney, winning in Iowa and numerous other states - Huckabee, meanwhile, ran back in 2008, when he also won Iowa and was second in total number of delegates received.

This time, however, both campaigns have been lackluster and never truly received traction. Santorum has been relegated to the undercard debate since the beginning, and Huckabee has dwindled there the past two times. Neither man has a shot at winning the nomination, with Huckabee downright announcing that he'll drop out if he's not in the Top 3 of Iowa. As of now, most polls put him in the bottom three. However, both candidates are staunch social conservatives, which may be important down the road - their supporters will look to them as to who to support in a crowded race, with bold conservative options from Cruz to Trump to Rubio. Expect Santorum and Huckabee to have a minor presence going forward, as their endorsements could impact the final outcome of this race.


Carly Fiornina
Oh Carly. Following her showing at the first GOP debate, where she actually did remarkably well for a candidate with zero political experience, Fiornia saw a spike in polling and enjoyed a bump to the main stage debate in September. She was viewed as articulate, intelligent, and a possible beacon of light in a party often dubbed "the old white men's club".

Since then, however, Fiorina has generally been on a downward trend. Comments made about a fake Planned Parenthood video, and subsequent lackluster debate performances have sent Fiorina towards the middle-bottom tier of the polls once again, hovering around 2-3% alongside Kasich and Rand Paul in Iowa. I fully expect Fiorina to be out of the running for the candidacy by Nevada - if she does choose to stay in any longer, it's going to end up downright embarrassing. However, Fiornina's ties to Silicon Valley and her general non-establishment persona could put her in line to play a moderate role in where her supporters finally end up.


John Kasich
Kasich is a late comer to the GOP Primary, announcing his candidacy in late-July, after some of the campaigns had been working donors and the crowds for weeks already. Many predicted such a late entry would hurt any chance he had at the nomination, and generally, Kasich has done quite poorly. Most recent polls show him at 3% in Iowa and nationally with New Hampshire being his one beacon of hope at 14% (Behind Trump and Cruz, ahead of Rubio by 2%).

Chances of Kasich winning the nomination are extremely low, however expect him to play a crucial role in the nomination and general election - Kasich is the current governor of Ohio, which is a crucial state in the general election, and is considered the jewel needed for a candidate to win. Kasich's choice of endorsement will play a role going forward in the campaign season, and no matter the eventual nominee, expect to see him on the stage in his home state, campaigning for him.

Rand Paul
Oh Rand, you started with big dreams and a solid chance to shake the ground of this campaign season...and then Trump showed up.

Since his campaign launch in the spring of last year, Paul has been dogged by low polling numbers and lousy debate performances, due in part to the rise of showy outsider candidates in Carson, Trump, and Fiorina. As early as August, Republican insiders have prodded Paul to drop out of the presidential race to focus on his upcoming reelection bid for the Senate, which many believe could prove consequential for the GOP as they fight to keep control of Congress. Paul, however, has refused to take their advice, leading to his situation now - polling in 7th (or lower) in nearly all major polls, demoted to the undercard debate stage, and watching funding dry up.

I anticipate Rand to drop out quickly following Iowa and New Hampshire, however it is possible that he will follow his father's path and remain in the race as a protest candidate. Whether or not this will hurt his senate campaign is still up for debate

Dr. Ben Carson
In the months and years since Obama's reelection in 2012, former neurosurgeon Ben Carson has made a name for himself in the conservative media for his staunch criticism of the President, denouncing his policies and claiming that he does not represent the needs of the African-American population (For those who don't know, Carson is also black). Hosts and Pundits latched onto Carson - a ethnically different, devoutly religious, far-right Republican? We may have found our guy!

For a while, it looked like Carson may actually stand a chance in this primary - he had solid support from evangelical voters, who are key to winning in Iowa, gave decent debate performances, and saw a surge in polling in the late fall, putting him in a neck and neck race with Trump.

Since then, however, Carson's support has dwindled - controversial statements on issues from gun control to immigration have severed support from him, while Cruz has slowly but surely leeched the evangelicals from Carson in Iowa - leaving him in the middle of the pack. In New Hampshire, he does even worse.

I fully expect to see Carson remain relevant in the conservative media's inner circle, however the chance of him taking his surgical skills to the Oval Office? None.

Chris Christie
The current governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie was once described as a traitor when photographs of him hugging President Obama following Hurricane Sandy were displayed one week ahead of the 2012 election.

Suffice to say, there's no love remaining between the two anymore.

As a candidate, Christie has suffered to break away from the other establishment candidates in Bush, Rubio, and Kasich, and his murky record as the governor of what is, generally, a liberal state doesn't give him any help. To his credit, however, Christie has given remarkably emotional and strong debate performances, which has helped buoy his standing in the New Hampshire polls - one of the few states where he actually has a chance of doing quite well for himself.

Ultimately, Christie has put up a strong run, but at some point, he's going to realize this his luck has run out. He's far from the most popular candidate, and his campaign is unviable moving forwards into more conservative states.




Coming up next: Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Trump

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Second to last debate before the Iowa Caucuses on tonight, hosted by Fox Business once again (Streaming can be done on their website).

Undercard begins at 6PM and features Santorum, Huckabee, and Fiorina. Rand Paul was demoted to the Undercard debate as well, however currently it is believed that he will boycott the debate entirely.

Main stage debate features Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson (Who's campaign is collapsing, in other news), Bush, Christie, and Kasich.

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Serious / State of the Union Thread
« on: January 11, 2016, 10:45:36 AM »
Speech is on tomorrow night at 8PM, and it's Obama's last as President.

Guests include a Syrian refugee, a Mexican immigrant, Jim Obergefell, and a handful of others.

A seat will remain vacant to represent lives lost to gun violence.


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Serious / We are less than 30 Days from the Iowa Caucus
« on: January 02, 2016, 03:44:48 PM »
Make your predictions now. Who will be the biggest loser? Who will walk away victorious?

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The Flood / Reminder that The Force Awakens is not Canon
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:22:16 PM »
Nor is that shitty Rebels series.

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The Flood / Should I Ban SecondClass?
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:48:37 PM »
I will do whatever the community wants.

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Serious / 30% of GOP Wants to Bomb Agrabah
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:23:34 PM »
You know, the fictional city from Aladdin?

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Almost one-third of Republican primary voters would support bombing the fictional kingdom of Agrabah, according to a report released by Public Policy Polling on Friday.

More than 530 Republican primary voters were polled this week on their support for Republican candidates and foreign policy issues including banning Muslims from entering the US, Japanese internment camps from the second world war and bombing Agrabah, the kingdom from Disney’s animated classic, Aladdin.

In its poll, Public Policy Polling asked the 532 Republicans: “Would you support or oppose bombing Agrabah?” While 57% of responders said they were not sure, 30% said they supported bombing it. Only 13% opposed it.

Public Policy Polling also polled Democratic primary voters: only 19% of them said they would support bombing Agrabah, while 36% said they would oppose it.

Republican primary voters polled by the PPP aren’t just worried about Agrabah. Of those polled, 36% believe that thousands of Arabs in New Jersey cheered when the World Trade Center collapsed on 9/11. About 54% of those polled support banning Muslims from entering the United States and 46% support the creation of a national database of Muslims in the United States.

New Jersey officials and residents have repeatedly denied the claims of the post-9/11 celebrations, which were resurfaced last month by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

“I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down,” Trump said at a November campaign rally in Alabama.

Trump continues to stand by his remarks. He had also called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.

According to the PPP, “[Donald] Trump is at 45% with Republicans who want to bomb Aladdin and only 22% with ones who don’t want to bomb Aladdin.”

Trump has been criticised by members of his own party for his anti-Muslim remarks.

“Banning all Muslims will make it harder for us to do exactly what we need to do, which is destroy Isis,” Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said on Tuesday during the fifth Republican debate. “We need to engage with the Arab world to make this happen.”

But Trump’s remarks and proposals, however, have seemed to connect with some GOP voters.

One in four of those polled by the PPP said that Islam should be illegal in the US and that they support the US policy of Japanese internment during the second world war.

And we wonder why Donald Trump is winning...

(Though in all fairness, the 19% of Democrats are just as bad)

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Serious / DNC Slaps Sanders Campaign over Data Breach
« on: December 18, 2015, 12:27:45 PM »
Full Story

Could actually play well for Sanders in the long run

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The Flood / Spoiler Star Wars Spoilers (Seriously. Spoilers ahead)
« on: December 15, 2015, 08:42:21 PM »
 Because I like to ruin the fun.

DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT SPOILERS.

Spoiler
Kylo Ren: Actually Ben Solo, Han and Leia's son. Seduced to the Dark Side by Snoke, he wants to be like his grandfather, Darth Vader. He is quite powerful, but Rey kicks his ass in a fight.

Han and Leia are separated. Leia is the rebel leader and is looking for her brother, who vanished after his padawan (Ben Solo) went to the dark side.

Finn is not a Jedi, he just wielded a lightsaber in the trailers as deception

Rey is a force-sensitive who is the real next Jedi. Oh, she's super strong as well. Her family left her on Jakku, which is why she doesn't want to leave. At the end of the movie, she becomes the captain of the Falcon, with Chewie as her first mate.

Po Dameron is barely in the movie, but Leia sends him to find Luke.

Luke is in it for all of two seconds, doesn't speak.

Oh, and they kill Han Solo at the end. He is killed by his son.

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The Flood / House of Cards S4 Announcement Tonight
« on: December 15, 2015, 11:54:21 AM »

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Serious / Explaining a Brokered Convention
« on: December 13, 2015, 01:07:36 PM »
Since the topic is becoming more and more relevant to the current 2016 GOP race, I'll let our good friends at CNN explain what a brokered convention is. I'll do a TL;Dr at the end for the lazier ones.

Getting a Brokered Convention:

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The Republican party will assign 2,472 delegates through a state-by-state series of caucuses and primaries between February and June. To win the nomination, a given candidate requires a simple majority, or 1,237, of the total. The states holding their contests before March 15 are required by party rules to dole out their delegates proportionately, meaning 51% of the vote translates to the same percentage of the state's allotted delegates.

To further complicate the matter, there is the party's so-called "Rule 40." This bylaw, added in 2012, states that any potential nominee must "demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight or more states." There are, as we approach the CNN debate in Las Vegas on Tuesday, a total of 14 candidates in the mix. No fewer than 10 can reasonably expect to win a noteworthy proportion of delegates as the race extends into spring.

For example, polls have shown Trump with a durable lead in Iowa -- he's up 13 points on Ted Cruz, his closest rival, according to Monday's CNN/ORC poll -- but even then, his total support in this sprawling field is only 33%. Multiple candidates could win a majority in eight or more states, or no one could. Either way, it adds up to chaos on the convention floor. (Interestingly, the rule essentially prevents a would-be outside savior, like Mitt Romney, from parachuting into the process late, as that person would obviously arrive without those eight state majorities.)

One Republican with a full grasp of the RNC rules reached out after the story first published to point out that the eight-state requirement in Rule 40 is technically temporary. The RNC will vote on a new rule at the convention in 2016 and could again change the number of states at that time.

Contested vs. Brokered:

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Simply stated, if no candidate (and this goes for both parties) finishes the primary season with majority of delegates, the summer convention can be described as "contested." The last "contested" GOP primary came in 1976, when President Gerald Ford and an insurgent conservative named Ronald Reagan arrived at Kansas City's Kemper Arena short of a clinching total. Both campaigns sought to sway or romance their way to the necessary majority, which Ford would seal just before the first floor vote.

Because that initial ballot delivered Ford the nomination, the 1976 convention is not technically considered to have been "brokered."

For that, we have to look back more than 60 years, to the 1952 Democratic contest. Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver led the race after the last round of primary voting, but did not win the nomination after the first floor ballot. No one did. It was not until the third ballot that Adlai Stevenson, the reluctant home-state governor with the backroom backing of outgoing President Harry Truman, finally emerged with the nomination.

The most recent "brokered" convention for Republicans came four years earlier, in 1948, when they chose New York Gov. Thomas Dewey after three ballots.

Dewey, Stevenson and Ford all lost their general election contests.

Tl;Dr:

If no GOP candidate arrives to the convention with the support of 1,237 delegates and satisfying the current Rule 40, the contest becomes contested, with the candidates closest vying to win delegates who have yet to pledge support. If, after the first vote, a candidate is chosen, then it is classified as contested. If it goes to a second, third or more vote, it is a brokered convention - and becomes more complicated. Once it reaches a second vote, and is classified as brokered, all delegates are allowed to vote for any candidate on the ballot.

Important to note that in the past, candidates from a party who's convention was either contested or brokered did not win their respective general election - likely due to the fact that the party remained divided.


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Serious / Senate Scrapts NCLB with Bill Sent to Obama's Desk
« on: December 09, 2015, 01:52:51 PM »
Education Fight to Shit towards States

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The Senate sent a bill to the president’s desk Wednesday that replaces much of the widely disliked No Child Left Behind Act and shifts more power over education to states and school districts.

The bill passed the chamber 85-12 on the heels of its passage in the House last week. After No Child Left Behind established a high watermark for federal involvement in education, the new bill slashes the federal role by historic proportions, experts say. The bill — which the president is scheduled to sign Thursday — would dump the current law’s intense focus on test scores and the well-intentioned but impossible goal of having all students reading and calculating at grade level.

The Every Student Succeeds Act (S.1177) allows states to set their own guidelines for rating schools and improving them, with federal oversight and restrictions. It was a victory for many Republicans and teachers unions, who were allied in their mission to undercut what they viewed as prescriptive, top-down regulation and intrusion into local schools.

The bill would “put education back in the hands of those who understand their needs best: parents, teachers, states and school boards,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday. “It’s conservative reform designed to help students succeed instead of helping Washington grow.”

Democrats see the bill as a chance to offload some of the aspects of NCLB that are unpopular with constituents, while maintaining their paramount goal of protecting poor and minority students, whose performance often lags their peers and who disproportionately attend the worst schools. The bill requires states to track performance of such students closely and intervene when schools are failing. Because of this, it earned the backing of the president and
overwhelming support from Senate Democrats.

Senate Republicans supported the bill, with the exception of a handful of conservatives including 2016 presidential candidates Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, who don’t think it walks back the federal role in education far enough.

The bill “unfortunately continues to propagate the large and ever-growing role of the federal government in our education system—the same federal government that sold us failed top-down standards like Common Core,” Cruz, who didn't vote, said in a statement Wednesday. “The American people expect the Republican majority to do better.” Fellow
2016 contenders Marco Rubio and Bernie Sanders also didn't cast votes. Paul voted against the bill.

The new bill bans future Education secretaries from pushing a Common Core-like set of academic standards and limits what the department can and can’t regulate. Dozens of waivers from No Child Left Behind granted by the Obama administration would be void starting in August 2016. States would have more than a year to shift to the new system, which would take hold starting in the 2017-18 school year.

But there will also be places for the Obama administration to leave an imprint, thanks to a streamlined regulatory process written into the bill that it will have a year to leverage. For example, the department could place broad parameters on when a group of students would be considered “consistently” low-performing, signaling a need for intervention.

Even before the bill was headed to the president, a swath of education, civil rights and business groups were already lining up ways to shape the law’s implementation. Since the bill returns power to states, advocates plan on waging state-by-state battles over education policy that were previously fought in Washington.

Advocates in D.C. have worked furiously over the last year to preserve strong federal protections in the bill for poor and minority students. But in the coming years, they’ll be “trying to make equity at the heart of education in states,” said Ryan Smith, executive director of The Education Trust-West, the California arm of the Washington-based education advocacy group.

“With all of this wonderful flexibility comes great responsibility” for states, said Cheryl Oldham, vice president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber is highlighting the need to continue to focus on minorities this week with a conference it is co-hosting with the NAACP on African-American student achievement.

One central issue for the Chamber will be making sure states continue to heavily weigh academic measures of students success — like test scores and graduation rates — when they rate schools. The new law allows states to also use some non-academic measures, such as student engagement, when evaluating schools.

That change in school rating metrics alone was a major legislative victory for teachers unions. Unions pushed all year to ditch No Child Left Behind’s embrace of testing, which they’ve dubbed a “test-and-punish” approach. Lawmakers ultimately settled on keeping a federal requirement that schools test students annually — but they gave states more leeway in how much test results matter. The law will also provide new funding to help states audit and get rid of excessive tests.

“You’ve had 15 years of test, test, test, test, test, test, test,” American Federation of Teachers Randi Weingarten said. “This is a vast improvement over what we have right now.”

And in another win, states will no longer have to evaluate teachers in a way that takes student outcomes — such as test scores — into account, a provision in the Obama administration’s waivers that unions opposed.
Now unions are making preparations of their own for the new law.

The National Education Association is pulling together a task force to begin planning how to educate teachers and organize in states.

The Obama administration, too, has begun positioning itself for an intense new phase — designing regulations to implement the law.

“We’re gearing up,” Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in an interview Saturday. Getting the law passed now is important to the Obama administration so it has “13 months to think about implementation,” he said. On Tuesday, Duncan was at Maryland’s National Harbor kickstarting outreach about the new law in a speech to educators.
Duncan is set to step down at the end of the year, so the dash to regulate the law will be the work of his successor, John King. And King will be operating in a different environment than Education secretaries did in the past because of the bill’s limit on the secretary’s power.

Senators celebrated the bill’s passage, but the next steps already loom on the horizon. Senate HELP Committee ranking member Patty Murray (D-Wash.) pledged Tuesday to keep close watch on implementation now that the work in Congress is done.

“We can’t just sign the bill and walk away,” Murray said. “We have to follow through and make sure they’re doing what we wanted to do with this law.”

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Serious / CNN/ORC Poll: Donald Trump at 36% among Republican Voters
« on: December 04, 2015, 11:02:38 AM »
Full Poll

The actual candidate polling is on Page 10.

Trump rose to 36% in this round, up from 27% in mid October.
Cruz is at 16%, up from 4% in mid October.
Carson is at 14%, down from 22% in mid October.
Rubio is at 12%, up from 8%.
Bush is at 3%, down from 8%

The others are just down and out essentially. For those keeping track, Trump is also leading in this months Quinnipiac poll, and is dominating with 30.8% in RealClearPolitics average of all polling.

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The Flood / I Have the Chance to Live in DC Rent Free
« on: November 29, 2015, 07:41:14 PM »
Should I do it?

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The Flood / The Faggots are Evolving
« on: November 18, 2015, 07:10:10 PM »
They've begun to video call in a Skype group, with nudity.

Soon, world domination.

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The Flood / Should I move to Virginia for Kinder?
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:20:15 PM »
He asked to date me. I'm contemplating a move.

Give me advice

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Serious / As It Currently Stands, Donald Trump will Be the 2016 GOP Nominee
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:06:24 AM »
Discuss whether you think the above is true.

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Serious / Do External Factors Play a Role in Religious Extremism?
« on: November 15, 2015, 05:33:03 PM »
Discuss.

It's slow tonight and I want some discussion

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Serious / France Announces Major Bombing on Raqqa
« on: November 15, 2015, 03:54:07 PM »
That was Quick

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(CNN)French fighter jets bombed a series of ISIS sites in Raqqa, Syria, on Sunday in what officials described as a major bombardment.

The targets included a command center, a recruitment center, an ammunition storage base and a training camp for the terror group, said Mickael Soria, press adviser for France's defense minister.

Paris attacks: Authorities hunt for a French national

ISIS claims Raqqa as the capital of its so-called caliphate. The airstrikes come two days after a series of terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday. ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks, which France's President described as "an act of war."

Twelve aircraft, including 10 fighter jets, were involved in Sunday's airstrikes, Soria said.

Twenty bombs were dropped, he said, and all of the targets were destroyed.

Yeah! You keep cutting off the head of the hydra and act surprised when it reappears as double! You go!

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Serious / Baby Removed from Same Sex Foster Home over Faulty Research
« on: November 11, 2015, 07:10:50 PM »
Oh Discrimination

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A married Carbon County couple says they plan to fight a judge's order that would force them to give up their infant foster daughter simply because they are lesbians.

"We love her and she loves us, and we haven't done anything wrong," Beckie Peirce said Wednesday. "And the law, as I understand it, reads that any legally married couple can foster and adopt."

Peirce, 34, and her wife, 38-year-old April Hoagland, have had the 1-year-old girl in their home for three months while the state moves toward terminating her biological mother's parental rights.

"The mother has asked us to adopt," Hoagland said.

So the pair — who married in October 2014 and were licensed as foster parents earlier this year — were caught off guard Tuesday when 7th District Court Juvenile Judge Scott Johansen ordered the child removed from their care.

"He said he has research to back that children do better in heterosexual homes," Hoagland said.

Johansen did not provide specifics of that research in court despite questions from attorneys for the Utah Division of Child and Family Services and the Guardian Ad Litem Office assigned to represent the child, Hoagland and Peirce said.

A copy of the order was not publicly available Wednesday, but a court spokeswoman confirmed its contents.

The couple, who are also raising Peirce's 12- and 14-year-old biological children, hired an attorney Wednesday and will fight to keep the girl, whom they say has fit seamlessly into their family.

"We have a lot of support," Peirce said. "DCFS wants us to have the child, the Guardian Ad Litem wants us to have the child, the mother wants us to have the child, so the only thing standing in the way is the judge."

Johansen's order gives DCFS seven days to find the child a new home.

Utah law does not prohibit legally married couples from serving as foster parents and no other state judge has expressed concerns about placing foster kids with same-sex parents, DCFS director Brent Platt said.

DCFS attorneys have not seen the order, but they will review it, Platt said, in part to determine whether there are grounds for an appeal.

"If we feel like [Johansen's] decision is not best for the child," he said, "and we have a recourse to appeal or change it, we're going to do that."

Meanwhile, DCFS is looking for an alternate home for the infant, so as not to run afoul of Johansen's order, he said.

This is not the first time Johansen has been in the news for making controversial rulings.

In 1997, he was reprimanded by the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission for "demeaning the judicial office" after slapping a 16-year-old boy who became belligerent during a 1995 meeting at the Price courthouse.

Johansen was also criticized in 2014 for ordering a woman to lop off her 13-year-old daughter's ponytail as punishment for the teen cutting the hair off a 3-year-old girl at a restaurant. The judge offered to shave off 150 hours of community service from the sentence if she cut her daughter's hair in court.

And it continues

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The Flood / ITT: Post Sep7agon Memories
« on: November 11, 2015, 05:41:29 PM »

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The Flood / What is Shitposting Like?
« on: November 11, 2015, 03:20:39 PM »
T4R

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The Flood / Which Phone Case?
« on: November 11, 2015, 09:49:29 AM »
Going on vacation next week and looking to order a slimmer phone case so that it's not as bulky in my pocket. Down to these five choices. Help pick.

Option 1:
Spoiler

Option 2:

Spoiler

Option 3 (Really liking blue, apparently):

Spoiler

Option 4 (Wallet Case):

Spoiler

Option 5 (Wallet Case):

Spoiler

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The Flood / What Color Jockstrap Should I Buy?
« on: November 10, 2015, 06:45:29 PM »
T4R

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GOP Poll
Democrat Poll
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Washington (CNN)Ben Carson has surged in South Carolina to pull just ahead of Donald Trump -- a statistical dead heat -- in the Republican presidential primary in the key early state, according to a new poll.

In the Monmouth University poll released Monday, Carson led the Republican primary field with support from 28% of likely Republican South Carolina voters. Trump was close behind, at 27%, and no other candidates were within the margin of error.

The numbers are a shift from Monmouth's last South Carolina poll in late August, where Trump doubled Carson, 30% to 15%.

The numbers are also a shift from the CNN/ORC poll of South Carolina Republican primary voters in October, where Trump was ahead of Carson 36% to 18%.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio continued his trend of good polling results after a strong debate performance, coming in third behind the two front-runners with 11%.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was in fourth, at 9%, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was in fifth, at 7%. No one else topped 2%.

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Hillary Clinton has a commanding lead over Bernie Sanders in South Carolina, according to the results of a new poll released Tuesday.

Clinton has the support of 69 percent of likely voters in South Carolina's Democratic primary, while the independent Vermont senator trails with just 21 percent, according to the latest Monmouth University Poll. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley barely registers, with just 1 percent support.

South Carolina's Democratic primary is open to supporters of other parties, including Republicans and independents. When the poll's respondents are limited to self-described Democrats likely to vote in the primary, Clinton's lead is ever higher: 74 percent to Sanders' 16 percent.

The former secretary of state, who lost the 2008 South Carolina primary to then-Sen. Barack Obama, leads with African Americans — three out of four believe she would do an “excellent” or “good” job as president. Just over half feel the same about Sanders.

Clinton also has high favorable ratings (81 percent) compared with 7 percent unfavorable. Sanders has a 58 percent favorability rating, with 13 unfavorable and O’Malley has 18 percent favorable, 18 percent unfavorable.

The telephone poll was conducted Nov. 5-8 with 400 likely South Carolina Democratic primary voters. The margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 percentage points.

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Serious / Need Some General Advice (My Life is Fucked ATM)
« on: November 08, 2015, 05:51:06 PM »
I'm probably going to regret this thread, but yeah. Backstory is in the quote before. Please read it before commenting answers to my questions at the bottom. It's long, I'll try and do a Tl;Dr. Ktnx


SO

When I was in Florida during the first half of this year for my time working for Disney, I made the decision (along with one of my roommates) to transfer to the University of Central Florida, get an apartment together, and all that jazz. All the while, I was still technically enrolled at my old school back here in New York on a leave of absence, with all intentions (from their point of view) of me returning this Fall.

In April of this year, I was accepted to UCF for the major of my choice. This gave me roughly two weeks to make a choice of going home or remaining in Florida after August, as my old school needed a decision by May 1st as to whether I would be returning. If I did not respond or outright told them I would not be coming back, I would be unenrolled for the fall. I kept flip flopping on my decision until the very last day, when I simply did not contact my old school - mostly because I was still torn on what would be better. Not that it mattered anymore, but yeah.

With the decision (unfortunately) made, we proceeded with the UCF process, toured the campus, and all that jazz. It wasn't until late-June, after paying for the orientation fee, that I realized a huge problem - my credits weren't transferring, even though both were public, 4-year institutions. Out of my 43 credits, I would get 16 in the new school, on top of taking a whole new batch of General Electives that I didn't need back here in New York. So on top of paying double my old tuition, I would essentially be falling backwards in terms of my education standing. My roommate had it even worse - only 9 of his credits would transfer. We both decided this wouldn't work for us, decided to return to our individual homes and finish there.

He was reaccepted to his school rather quickly. Problem for me, my school is not so forgiving. I returned home this past August and filled out a readmission application for this upcoming spring semester -  basically asking for the school to let me back in for my major. The application was sent in this past September, and I also called in to speak to the Assistant Dean in charge of them - I was told there is no deadline as to when we'd here back on our application, there is no way to check on the status, and that we receive information through postal mail (No Email).

So I've waited. And waited. And now, students at the school are registering for classes and I have no idea when, or if, I'll hear. Even if I do get in, I'm going to fall another semester behind because I won't get any of the classes I need to further my major. So, I'm kind of torn between a couple choices...


Should I...

1 - Bide it out with my old school and hope to hear back soon, even if it means falling behind in my current major/having to change

2 - Apply elsewhere (UCF or another school) for the Fall 2016 Semester, potentially pairing it with a semester at a community college this spring.

3 - Other (Advice pls)


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The Flood / What Should I get for Dinner?
« on: November 07, 2015, 03:10:19 PM »
T4R

Discuss

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The Flood / I Have Transcended into a New White Girl Tier
« on: November 06, 2015, 10:00:49 PM »


This with my peppermint mocha coffee and ugg boots.

Unf.

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The Flood / Let November 6th, 2015 Burn in Tartarus
« on: November 06, 2015, 07:45:48 PM »
Literally the worst day of the year.

How're you all?

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