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Serious / 4/19 - NY Primary
« on: April 19, 2016, 09:24:14 AM »
Polls are open til 9 across the state, Clinton and Trump leading with a 99% chance of a win, prediction by fivethirtyeight.

Discuss as you wish.

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The Flood / Insult Me
« on: April 18, 2016, 10:08:07 PM »
Please

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Serious / North Carolina Bathroom Bill
« on: April 17, 2016, 04:04:28 PM »
Curious to see some opinions and discussions on this topic. No set questions or topics, just kinda want to talk about it.

Have fun.

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The Flood / Best Brand of Condoms
« on: April 17, 2016, 03:51:13 PM »
Please answer for my purely scientific study.

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Serious / AMA 2016 Election
« on: April 16, 2016, 04:19:32 PM »
I've got to do some studying for my politics class and really don't want to. So, ask me shit about the 2016 election and I'll try to answer it.


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The Flood / I haven't been an attention whore lately
« on: April 16, 2016, 01:52:12 PM »
Let's change that

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The Flood / I haven't posted in a while
« on: April 14, 2016, 09:55:43 PM »
What's up, bitches?

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The Flood / My $50 package of underwear arrived
« on: April 01, 2016, 11:32:50 AM »
Greatest decision ever.

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The Flood / Just spent $53 on two pairs of underwear
« on: March 12, 2016, 05:55:51 PM »
Hows your weekend?

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The Flood / Titanic is the Greatest Love Story Ever
« on: March 01, 2016, 05:00:09 PM »
Prove me wrong.

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Serious / Super Tuesday Thread: March 1st, 2016 (4 States Remaining)
« on: February 29, 2016, 04:36:03 PM »
(Making this thread early cause fuck it, I can do it)

Super Tuesday - for those who don't know, it's the first real test of the Presidential nomination cycle, as more than 13 states and regions will be voting or caucusing at once. Depending on the results, this one day could essentially decide the nominee.

Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia will hold contests for both Republicans and Democrats. Republicans in Alaska will hold caucuses. Democrats in Colorado will hold their caucuses as well. Finally, Democrats in American Samoa are also holding their nominating contest.

On the GOP side, Trump is the favorite in nearly all the states, though Cruz is making a stand in his home state of Texas. Rubio is fighting in the metropolitan areas of many states, while Kasich and Carson....do some stuff.

On the Democratic side, Clinton is expected to win the southern states of Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas. Sanders will carry Vermont, and is likely to carry Oklahoma and Colorado. Virginia and Minnesota are toss ups.

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Ted Cruz - 17
Marco Rubio - 16
Donald Trump - 82
Ben Carson - 4
John Kasich - 6

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Hilary Clinton - 91 Pledged, 453 Super
Bernie Sanders - 65 Pledged, 20 Super

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The Flood / I Hate Group Projects
« on: February 28, 2016, 12:48:42 PM »
Someone distract me before I throw this damn computer through a wall.

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The Flood / Thunder2 is Easily Our Worst new Poster
« on: February 25, 2016, 10:12:09 PM »
Discuss

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The Flood / AMA I've Got some New Drugs
« on: February 25, 2016, 04:06:36 PM »
How's your day?

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The Flood / AMA Just discovered my middle school music library
« on: February 23, 2016, 08:10:19 PM »
Ask me shit before I kill myself over my choices then.

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Serious / Senate Will Take Zero Action on any SCOTUS Nominee
« on: February 23, 2016, 03:33:08 PM »
Senate Judiciary Committe Will Also Hold no Hearings

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WASHINGTON — The Senate will hold no hearings, much less confirm, any Supreme Court nominee put forward by President Obama before the November election, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, stated unequivocally on Tuesday, as he urged the president to reconsider even submitting a name.

With a few cracks showing in Republican ranks, Mr. McConnell showed no sign of relenting to the pressure Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats are trying to apply.

And Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee were unanimous in their opposition to confirmation hearings, said Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican.

“This is his moment,” Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor, addressing the president. “He has every right to nominate someone. Even if doing so will inevitably plunge our nation into another bitter and avoidable struggle, that is his right. Even if he never expects that nominee to actually be confirmed but rather to wield as an electoral cudgel, that is his right.”

Mr. McConnell added: “But he has also has the right to make a different choice. He can let the people decide and make this an actual legacy-building moment rather than just another campaign roadshow.”

Mr. Obama has made clear that he will choose a nominee, and two Republican senators, Susan Collins of Maine and Mark S. Kirk of Illinois, have already broken ranks to say that they would be willing to vote on a candidate.

But Mr. McConnell and the vast majority of Republicans were holding firm.

“I don’t think we should have a hearing. I think we should let the next president pick,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who a decade ago was one of 14 senators who brokered a deal to end the threat of filibusters against President George W. Bush’s judicial nominees.

As Republican senators emerged from a meeting in Mr. McConnell’s office, Mr. Cornyn said, “We believe that the American people need to decide who is going to make this appointment rather than a lame-duck president.”

Aides to Mr. McConnell said the majority leader had spoken to Mr. Obama and told him directly that no nominee to the Supreme Court would be confirmed before the election, and they expressed confidence that the Republicans had chosen the best course of action — or inaction, as the case may be.

Mr. McConnell gathered Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee in his suite in the Capitol, just off the Senate floor, to confer before a weekly policy luncheon attended by all Republican senators.

While Mr. McConnell has already stated that no nominee will be confirmed, it is ultimately up to the committee chairman, Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, to decide if any hearings will be held on Mr. Obama’s pick.

Republican maneuvering came as Democrats scrambled to contain any damage from Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s floor speech as a senator in June 1992 urging President George Bush not to make a nomination to the Supreme Court until after that year’s presidential election.

Mr. Biden, now the vice president, said his words were taken out of context, and he issued a statement boasting of his record in confirming federal judges while chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Aides to Mr. Biden also insisted on Tuesday that he had been warning against filling a vacancy created by a voluntary resignation of a justice rather than a vacancy created by an unexpected death. In any event, no such vacancy occurred.

Your move, Obama.

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Serious / Jeb Bush Drops Out of Race
« on: February 20, 2016, 07:45:41 PM »
Story

Another one bites the dust

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Democrats are vying for delegates out west in what was supposed to be an easy win for Clinton, while Republicans fight over the first in the South primary for either party. Nevada results are coming in now, and South Carolina results will begin in a couple hours.

Donald Trump and Clinton are the frontrunners. Delegate totals from past races will be kept in the OP for reference.

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Ted Cruz - 11
Marco Rubio - 10
Donald Trump - 17
Ben Carson - 3
Jeb Bush - 4
John Kasich - 5

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Hilary Clinton - 32
Bernie Sanders - 36

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Serious / Economists Questions Costs of Sanders Policy Plans
« on: February 17, 2016, 10:40:40 AM »
Interesting Story Ahead of Nevada

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WASHINGTON — With his expansive plans to increase the size and role of government, Senator Bernie Sanders has provoked a debate not only with his Democratic rival for president, Hillary Clinton, but also with liberal-leaning economists who share his goals but question his numbers and political realism.

The reviews of some of these economists, especially on Mr. Sanders’s health care plans, suggest that Mrs. Clinton could have been too conservative in their debate last week when she said his agenda in total would increase the size of the federal government by 40 percent. That level would surpass any government expansion since the buildup in World War II.

The increase could exceed 50 percent, some experts suggest, based on an analysis by a respected health economist that Mr. Sanders’s single-payer health plan could cost twice what the senator, who represents Vermont, asserts, and on critics’ belief that his economic assumptions are overly optimistic.

His campaign strongly contests both critiques, defending its numbers and attacking prominent critics as Clinton sympathizers and industry consultants.

Mr. Sanders on “Fox News Sunday” defended his comment in a debate Thursday that critics have assailed: “A family right in the middle of the economy would pay $500 more in taxes and get a reduction in their health costs of $5,000.”

By the reckoning of the left-of-center economists, none of whom are working for Mrs. Clinton, the proposals would add $2 trillion to $3 trillion a year on average to federal spending; by comparison, total federal spending is projected to be above $4 trillion in the next president’s first year. “The numbers don’t remotely add up,” said Austan Goolsbee, formerly chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, now at the University of Chicago.

Alluding to one progressive analyst’s criticism of the Sanders agenda as “puppies and rainbows,” Mr. Goolsbee said that after his and others’ further study, “they’ve evolved into magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars.”

Unlike Republican presidential candidates who have proposed trillions of dollars in tax cuts for the wealthy and businesses without offsetting savings — Donald J. Trump’s plans could add $15 trillion to the debt over 10 years, the centrist Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates — Mr. Sanders has proposed higher taxes on the wealthy and businesses to pay for his plans, besides the health care savings he counts on.

Mrs. Clinton has also proposed tax increases on the rich and corporations to pay for her agenda, which she estimates would cost an additional $100 billion a year, or $1.2 trillion over 10 years.

Mr. Sanders’s plan includes a new, across-the-board 2.2 percent income tax to help pay for his single-payer, government-run health plan for all. But progressive economists and business groups say middle-class taxpayers would pay more for the European-style social welfare state that Mr. Sanders envisions.

They dispute his contention that all but the richest Americans would be better off, on balance, with higher wages and benefits like expanded Social Security, free public colleges and, most of all, free health care. His policy director, Warren Gunnels, dismissed the critics in an interview, saying, “They’ve picked sides with Hillary Clinton.” The campaign has a list of 130 endorsees, including some economists.

“If, at the end of the day, people don’t believe that we can achieve the same savings as Canada, Britain, France, Japan, South Korea, Australia are achieving on health care, then we have a fundamental disagreement,” Mr. Gunnels said, naming countries with single-payer systems.

It is not just Mr. Sanders’s assumptions for health savings that critics contest. Jared Bernstein, the former economic adviser to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. who is now at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, examined a paper by the economist advising Mr. Sanders, Gerald Friedman of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, that is circulating on the left.

While calling Mr. Friedman’s work a good effort, Mr. Bernstein cited several assumptions as “wishful thinking.” Among them were minimal health-cost inflation, economic growth reaching 5.3 percent and, in that heated-up economy, no action from the Federal Reserve to apply brakes.

“We need a deep investment in infrastructure, more efficient health care and less student debt,” Mr. Bernstein said. “But when you put it all together, government’s role in the economy goes well beyond anything we’ve ever considered.” He said protecting the Affordable Care Act against Republican opposition should be a higher priority — a critique echoed by Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders has described his health care plan as “Medicare for All,” but it would be more generous, giving Americans broader coverage without premiums, deductibles or co-payments. It would replace not only Medicare but also Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program. A table in his economic adviser’s analysis shows that all public spending currently going to military, veterans’, American Indian and other health programs would be part of the financing for his single-payer plan, yet Mr. Gunnels said veterans’ and American Indian health programs would remain intact. That suggests double-counting, or financing the existing programs while claiming the sums to offset the single-payer plan. He did not address military benefits in an email exchange.

The critics — many of whom support the concept of single-payer plans, including Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist and Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times — note the difficulty that Mr. Obama has had in winning and putting into effect his less-ambitious law, which keeps the private insurance and health care sectors in place. They worry that Mr. Sanders, as president, would exhaust his political capital on what they call a fool’s errand, at the expense of other initiatives on education, infrastructure, climate change, worker benefits — and the Affordable Care Act itself.

“The single-payer idea has enormous appeal: coverage for everyone, some effort to use the government’s bargaining power to hold down overall costs, clean out the godawful administrative mess that the U.S. health care system is and save money there,” said Henry J. Aaron, a longtime health economist at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

But he called it a “fairy tale” in this political climate. Along with other economists in a “lefty chat group” he joins online, Mr. Aaron said, he believes that if Mr. Sanders were elected and fought for a single-payer plan, it “would rapidly destroy his administration by using up every ounce of political capital he’s got.”

On his campaign website, Mr. Sanders proposes more than $18 trillion in new spending over 10 years; he does not account for some ideas he favors, like universal prekindergarten and child care, that could put the total above $20 trillion. About $14 trillion of the total is for health care; the rest is chiefly for infrastructure, free college, Social Security, paid family leave and clean-energy initiatives.

Adding $20 trillion to projected federal spending would mean about a 37 percent increase in spending through the 2026 fiscal year — close to the 40 percent that Mrs. Clinton suggested. But Kenneth E. Thorpe, a prominent health policy economist at Emory University who advised the Clintons in the 1990s, recently concluded that Mr. Sanders’s health plan would cost $27 trillion, not $14 trillion, which would put total spending for all of his initiatives above $30 trillion through 2026.

Mr. Thorpe and Sanders aides and allies have been battling online. Their trillion-dollar disputes involve the amount of savings that would be achieved by reducing red tape and bargaining for lower-cost brand-name drugs, and whether states would pay what they currently do toward programs that would cease in a single-payer system.

Mr. Thorpe in recent years helped Gov. Peter Shumlin in Mr. Sanders’s home state of Vermont design a single-payer plan there. It was unsuccessful.

“The problem was that the price tag and the amount of disruption and redistribution was just so enormous,” Mr. Thorpe said of Mr. Shumlin’s efforts, “that he just had to drop it.”

Someone get Meta in here to put in simple terms.

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Serious / Justice Scalia Found Dead in Texas
« on: February 13, 2016, 04:12:18 PM »
Story

Texas Governor confirms Scalia Death

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Associate Justice Antonin Scalia was found dead of apparent natural causes Saturday on a luxury resort in West Texas, federal officials said.

Scalia, 79, was a guest at the Cibolo Creek Ranch, a resort in the Big Bend region south of Marfa.

According to a report, Scalia arrived at the ranch on Friday and attended a private party with about 40 people. When he did not appear for breakfast, a person associated with the ranch went to his room and found a body.

Chief U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia, of the Western Judicial District of Texas, was notified about the death from the U.S. Marshals Service.   

U.S. District Judge Fred Biery said he was among those notified about Scalia's death.

"I was told it was this morning," Biery said of Scalia's death. "It happened on a ranch out near Marfa. As far as the details, I think it's pretty vague right now as to how," he said. "My reaction is it's very unfortunate. It's unfortunate with any death, and politically in the presidential cycle we're in, my educated guess is nothing will happen before the next president is
elected."

The U.S. Marshal Service, the Presidio County sheriff and the FBI were involved in the investigation.

Officials with the law enforcement agencies declined to comment.

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Serious / Nearly Two Weeks Ago, I was Sexually Assaulted
« on: February 10, 2016, 01:46:32 AM »
I was originally going to post this in Anarchy as an anonymous thread, but I figured that a forum with no rules likely wasn't the greatest place to share something like this. So, it's now 2:30 in the morning and I'm typing this thread up with no clear idea or direction as to where it's going to go. If you want to ask stuff or offer advice, I'll take whatever at this point.

Details are in spoilers in case you honestly don't want to read it.
Spoiler
Counselor said it was good to just write and get my emotions out of my head, so I'm doing it here. Feel privileged.

The assault happened the last weekend of January, in another dorm room on campus. The guy and I had been chatting and he invited me over to hang out and, because I'm apparently stupid, believed that he was better than he really was. So I went over to meet him and...yeah. Things kind of went downhill from there - he was trying to get me naked and his hands into my crotch as I kept saying no and to stop. Was biting at my neck and telling to relax, he'd take care of things. Only reason he stopped initially was because one of the roommates walked into the living room. 

I blame myself for this, even though everyone says not to. Guess that's normal. Haven't reported it to the police, though my counselor set me up with a Title IX coordinator this week. I think that's good.

Like I said, not really sure where this thread is/was going. Might add more to it as other stuff happens, but yeah.



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Serious / 2/9/16 - New Hampshire Primary (Trump, Sanders called as Winners)
« on: February 08, 2016, 11:14:07 PM »
As of 12am EST, three locations opened to cast primary votes in New Hampshire. All others will open during the morning, and polling is set to close in just under 19 hours (7pm EST).

Donald Trump and  Bernie Sanders are the frontrunners. Delegate totals from Iowa will be kept in the OP for reference.

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Ted Cruz - 8
Marco Rubio - 7
Donald Trump - 7
Ben Carson - 3
Jeb Bush - 1
Carly Fiorina - 1
John Kasich - 1
Rand Paul - 1 (Out of the Race)

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Hilary Clinton - 29
Bernie Sanders - 21

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The Flood / Dying my Hair in 3 Hours
« on: February 07, 2016, 03:14:17 PM »
Hope I don't die.

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The Flood / Should I Dye my Hair?
« on: February 03, 2016, 09:55:06 PM »
Discuss

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Serious / Iowa Caucus' are Today (Cruz Called as Winner)
« on: February 01, 2016, 07:20:18 AM »
Today officially kicks off the primary season for the 2016 Presidential campaign, with the caucusing in Iowa set to begin in just under 12 hours (Roughly 7pm CST, 8PM EST).

In one of the final polls this week, both races were extremely close - Trump leads Cruz by 5%, while for the Democrats, Clinton is leading by 3%. Rubio is at 15% for the Republicans, O'Malley is at 4% for the Democrats.

O'Malley is going to become crucial in the end for one of the other two candidates - if he does not meet the threshold of support (15%, I believe?), then his supporters are strongly urged to re-caucus and pick one of the other two candidates. If this were to happen, it will strongly impact the final polling numbers for Clinton and Sanders.

So yeah. I'll keep this thread updated as much as I can throughout the day with predictions, entry data, etc.

Welcome to the start of a very long 9 months.

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Serious / NYT Editorial Board endorses Clinton, half-endorses Kasich
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:39:26 PM »
Clinton

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For the past painful year, the Republican presidential contenders have been bombarding Americans with empty propaganda slogans and competing, bizarrely, to present themselves as the least experienced person for the most important elected job in the world. Democratic primary voters, on the other hand, after a substantive debate over real issues, have the chance to nominate one of the most broadly and deeply qualified presidential candidates in modern history.

Hillary Clinton would be the first woman nominated by a major party. She served as a senator from a major state (New York) and as secretary of state — not to mention her experience on the national stage as first lady with her brilliant and flawed husband, President Bill Clinton. The Times editorial board has endorsed her three times for federal office — twice for Senate and once in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary — and is doing so again with confidence and enthusiasm.

Half of a Kasich Endorsement

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More than a half-dozen other candidates are battling for survival. Jeb Bush has failed to ignite much support, but at least he has criticized the bigotry of Mr. Trump and the warmongering of Mr. Cruz. Senator Marco Rubio, currently embracing the alarmist views of the front-runners, seems to have forgotten his more positive “New American Century” campaign, based on helping the middle-class. The terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino exposed Ben Carson’s inability to grasp the world. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey has said he would shoot down Russian planes, engage with the dead king of Jordan and bar refugees, including orphaned Syrian toddlers.

Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, though a distinct underdog, is the only plausible choice for Republicans tired of the extremism and inexperience on display in this race. And Mr. Kasich is no moderate. As governor, he’s gone after public-sector unions, fought to limit abortion rights and opposed same-sex marriage.

Still, as a veteran of partisan fights and bipartisan deals during nearly two decades in the House, he has been capable of compromise and believes in the ability of government to improve lives. He favors a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and he speaks of government’s duty to protect the poor, the mentally ill and others “in the shadows.” While Republicans in Congress tried more than 60 times to kill Obamacare, Mr. Kasich did an end-run around Ohio’s Republican Legislature to secure a $13 billion Medicaid expansion to cover more people in his state.

“I am so tired of my colleagues out here on the stage spending all their time talking about Barack Obama,” he told a town hall crowd in New Hampshire. “His term is over.” Mr. Kasich said recently that he had “raised the bar in this election. I’ve talked about hope and the future and positive things.” In this race, how rare that is.

Iowa Caucus is next week.

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WaPO

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NEW BLOOMINGTON, Ohio — On the phone, the boy was frantic. After traveling hundreds of miles from a village in Guatemala, he had made it across the U.S. border and into a government-funded shelter for unaccompanied minors.

But then something went terribly wrong.

Instead of sending him to his uncle, Carlos Enrique Pascual, a landscape worker in Florida, authorities said the shelter released the teenager to traffickers who took him to central Ohio, held him captive in a roach-infested trailer and threatened to kill him if he tried to leave.

“Please, how can I get out of this?” Pascual’s nephew begged him during a stolen moment with a telephone. “I’m hungry, and my heart is bursting with fear.”

Pascual called police and, in December 2014, authorities found his nephew, then 17, and seven other boys living in cramped, dirty trailers about an hour outside of Columbus. Authorities said they were working at Trillium Farms, one of the country’s largest egg producers, debeaking hens and cleaning cages nearly 12 hours a day, six days a week, for as little as $2 a day.

The boys were part of a surge of children flowing across the U.S.-Mexico border over the past four years, overwhelming federal officials responsible for their safekeeping, child advocates say. Since 2011, more than 125,000 unaccompanied minors from Central America have been stopped at the border, many placed in shelters funded by the federal Office of Refugee Resettlement.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) has demanded a response from the Obama administration to whistleblower claims that thousands of those children have been released to sponsors with criminal records that include homicide, child molestation and human trafficking. Legal advocates for the children say many have wound up in abusive situations, where they have been forced to work to repay debts or living expenses. Some children simply stop showing up for immigration hearings and vanish.

“We have a large percentage of these kids that disappear, and I don’t know what happens to them,” said Jessica Ramos, a lawyer with Advocates for Basic Legal Equality, an Ohio nonprofit group that represents children in immigration proceedings.

Andrea Helling, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services, which includes the Office of Refugee Resettlement, said the inspector general is investigating the whistleblower allegations. She acknowledged that the agency briefly relaxed identity requirements for family members collecting children at the height of the surge in May 2014 to help place children more quickly.

Since then, she said, the agency has strengthened its protection efforts by reinstituting a fingerprint requirement for many people who claim children from federally funded shelters, expanding a hotline to report abuse, and requiring caseworkers to call and check up on children within 30 days of their release.

“We are committed to placement of unaccompanied children with appropriate sponsors that serve the best interest of the child,” Bob Carey, the agency’s director, said in a statement.

Still, the agency conducted post-release checks on only about 6,500 children in fiscal 2014, Helling said. Once the children are settled with sponsors, she added, state and local child protection agencies are responsible for their well-being.

“Once a child is placed with a sponsor,” she said, “the local community becomes very important.”

Helling declined to discuss the agency’s handling of individual children, including Pascual’s nephew. Federal prosecutors indicted six people in connection with the trafficking scheme; five have plead guilty.

No legal action has been taken against Trillium Farms, whose executives say they were unaware that a subcontractor hired to provide manual labor was engaged in human trafficking.

“Our employment guidelines are strict, and we participate in all federal programs to verify employment,” chief operating officer Doug Mack said in a statement. “While we have the same requirements for our contractors, it is clear in this case we were misled by the contracting company, which intended to act illegally.”

Alarmed by the case, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, opened an inquiry into the government’s system for processing unaccompanied minors. The results are scheduled to be made public Thursday, when Portman plans to chair a hearing on the matter.

“Based on what I have learned to date, I am concerned that the child placement process failures that contributed to the [egg farm] trafficking case are part of a systemic problem rather than a one-off incident,” Portman said in a statement.

The article goes much longer and in depth, so check the link if you wish to read more.

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Serious / Bloomberg planning Independent Campaign if "Extremists" Prevail
« on: January 23, 2016, 01:51:43 PM »
Deadline is in...March?

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Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg – a onetime moderate Republican who has crusaded on gun control -- is considering throwing $1 billion of his vast fortune into an independent bid for president, according to several sources familiar with his plans.

He has set March as a deadline, according to one, and his decision will likely be contingent on the results of early primaries, and he's more likely to take the leap if the "extremes" -- meaning Trump, Ted Cruz or Democrat Bernie Sanders -- prevail.

"If you have a Democratic frontrunner who is opposed to capitalism, and a Republican frontrunner who wants to deport 10 million immigrants, yeah, that'll make a difference," said the person, who has direct knowledge of his preparation, which includes polling and message-testing.

Another Bloomberg associate familiar with the former mayor's plans put the likelihood of an actual run between 30 and 50 percent.

“I wouldn’t say he is leaning toward,” the source said, adding that Bloomberg has been “looking harder and harder” at the possibility of testing his chances as the race has become more fractured. “It’s gone from idle chit-chat, to ‘let’s take a real look.’”

“A lot of people on a daily basis tell him, ‘you should do it.’" the source said. "I think he’s been watching and toying with it for a while.”

Bloomberg would be less interested in running if Hillary Clinton or a more moderate GOP candidate emerges from the early contest, two sources in Bloomberg's circle told POLITICO. In 2013, he reportedly urged her to consider running for New York City mayor and succeeding him. But one of the insiders added that part of Bloomberg’s thinking now is that if Clinton becomes the party’s nominee and a Department of Justice probe leads to a federal indictment, that would undermine her ability to serve.

The former mayor was raised in a Democratic family outside of Boston, and contributed to Democratic campaigns as a young man. But he always viewed the two-party system as a political Uber -- a convenient means of getting where he wanted to go that commanded little personal allegiance -- and ran for mayor under the Republican banner only because it offered him an easier path to nomination.

Bloomberg’s exploration of a bid, first reported in the New York Times on Saturday, is motivated by his belief that the ascent of Trump, a fellow billionaire the business information executive has known for two decades, represents a crisis in the two-party system that calls for a third-party solution. But he's equally wary of Sanders, a Democratic socialist who has called for the break-up of big Wall Street banks -- the target consumers of Bloomberg's multi-billion-dollar business metrics service.

Bloomberg has become increasingly agitated by the "tone and tenor" of the campaign so far, but is realistic about his chances, people close to him say. He has discussed a number of potential strategies with a collection of advisers and friends -- including the possibility of concentrating his immense resources on a single state like Florida, which both major-party candidates need -- to leverage changes in policy.

Even if he doesn't run, the mere mention of his billion-dollar bid would have a ripple effect. The front-page splash on the homepage of the Times mirrors a similar gambit he undertook eight years ago, with little effect. In January 2008 – as Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton dueled it out New Hampshire -- Bloomberg hosted a bipartisan summit of moderates in Oklahoma designed to raise attention for his cause, but ultimately it underscored his marginalization from the national political conversation.

The three-term former mayor, who governed with a middle-of-the-road philosophy of social liberalism and low-tax conservatism, has struggled to gain political traction since leaving office in 2013. Bloomberg, 73, spent tens of millions in an unsuccessful bid to toughen the nation’s gun control laws in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school shootings – and many gun rights activists claim his name alone created a backlash that helped sink his cause.

Even if Bloomberg carries out his promise to serve as his own super PAC, the odds of his winning are steep, verging on impossible. He would most likely serve as a spoiler in Northeastern states, and potentially Florida, which has a large Jewish population -- and he’s just as likely to draw votes from the Democratic nominee as the Republican pick, whether it’s Trump or anyone else.

During his mayoralty, Bloomberg has surrounded himself with a stable of well-regarded political operatives with deep connections in Democratic circles – former Hillary Clinton aide Howard Wolfson and Kevin Sheekey, a former staffer for late New York Sen. Pat Moynihan who was recently considered as a possible chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden.
And many of his loyal former aides are eager for him to step back into the political ring. “A lot of people who worked for him in the past believe he has more to contribute and want to be a part of it,” a Bloomberg associate said.

Kinda laughable.

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The Flood / So my new roommate is on Grindr
« on: January 18, 2016, 07:18:55 PM »
What do?

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Serious / Oh hey, there's a debate on
« on: January 17, 2016, 08:05:10 PM »
Democrats are apparently hosting a debate tonight. Watch it on NBC, NBC.com, and Youtube if you wish.

Discuss here if you'd like.

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