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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:57:50 PM »
I think you need to go to bed because you have school tomorrow and sleep deprivation fucks you over.
No, I'm fine. I only usually get four hours' sleep a night.

So, go ahead. I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said science is funded primarily by savings.
I disengaged from serious discussion when I called you angsty. I mean the whole thread you sort of missed the point that I was advocating capitalism, yet you still argued with me over the whole thing.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:52:37 PM »
I just like to sit and watch how right wing economists like to talk about technological innovation even though a super high majority of technologists, scientists, and engineers are leftists who generally don't do their job for a cash reward beyond the need to care for their family, but because they legitimately want a better world.
What does that have to do with anything at all?

Like, seriously. . . I really don't understand what the financial and social preferences of engineers and scientists has to do with this. Being a leftist doesn't have a monopoly on wanting to see a better world, either.
I think you need to go to bed because you have school tomorrow and sleep deprivation fucks you over.

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Serious / Re: How many genders do you recognize?
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:49:05 PM »
Obviously more than two, I'm not a fucking moron. Why is this even a question?
>Can't tell if SC is a good troll or a shitty one

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:47:36 PM »
In Meta's mind
Fuck you, don't even begin to think you can talk for me.
How angsty.
Not really. It's just funny how you're so patently arrogant and wrong. I'm not even sure where you got the idea that I said science is funded primarily by investment (assuming the sort of investment via the banking system).
I just like to sit and watch how right wing economists like to talk about technological innovation even though a super high majority of technologists, scientists, and engineers are leftists who generally don't do their job for a cash reward beyond the need to care for their family, but because they legitimately want a better world.

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Serious / Re: A universal substance
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:41:55 PM »
Uhhh...atoms.

Or electrons, protons, and neutrons.
I'm referring to one universal thing, not many.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:40:38 PM »
In Meta's mind
Fuck you, don't even begin to think you can talk for me.
How angsty.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:37:05 PM »
Who's steering where the technology evolution goes?
The consumers.

And rightfully so, they're doing a piss poor job of it.
In Meta's mind, the market solves all of society's problems even though most scientific projects are funded by government money and maintained not by investment, but the goodwill of donation. Perfect examples: space stations, satellites, macro-telescopes, mass particle accelerators, etc.

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Serious / Re: What Should the US Drinking Age Be?
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:23:40 PM »
21 so it's harder to drink while in college so you're less likely to fuck up.
Can't tell if serious.
Alcohol fucks a lot of people up in college. Honestly, I am basing this around all the stories I've heard.

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Serious / Re: What Should the US Drinking Age Be?
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:16:26 PM »
21 so it's harder to drink while in college so you're less likely to fuck up.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 07:00:22 PM »
And you don't seem to understand the market capacities for innovation. Raw elements and materials don't necessarily need to be expanded upon. If you use up raw materials, and diminish the supply (although, I might add, the USGS is quite confident on our incredibly ample supply of minerals) then technological innovation will result in ways, not previously known, to enhance the supply or the price will go up and only those willing to pay will have access and the market will develop alternatives to perform exactly the same purpose, as is what happened with copper.
I think you're a bit disillusioned about the extraordinary wealth the planet has to offer. Yes it is bountiful, but mostly inaccessible. Most resources are in heavy demand, they're not just sitting around in a warehouse in some third world country. It's going to take a lot of  technological advancement before we're able to start mining much of it. For now, we have a very limited amount, and the fact very little of it is being recycled doesn't help. So let me bridge the gap of understanding: you think we do have the resources to both improve the lives of the bottom AND further technological innovation, but you don't want to redistribute any of it because it would hurt the economy. Is that right or wrong?

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Also, I answered your question. Massive re-distribution of wealth has the potential to cause deadweight loss which will slow, halt or even diminish economic activity and innovation - which will, in turn, slow technological advances. It also depends on your definition of "middle class", as everybody in America with zero income and subject to transfers are, by global standards, of the middle class.
How exactly would enabling more people to become highly skilled scientists and engineers decrease technological innovation granted the amount of resources available to society isn't an issue?

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Serious / Re: People who don't believe in evolution are not worth talking to
« on: September 21, 2014, 04:22:16 PM »
If you're a scientific communicator (be that a celebrity or a teacher) you need to understand how and why the other side thinks the way they do. Talking to them is a healthy way of gathering information, arguing on the other hand isn't because creationists aren't willing to be scientific and logical when it comes to that subject.

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Serious / Re: How many genders do you recognize?
« on: September 21, 2014, 04:18:39 PM »
I don't recognize genders. I don't like to label people. But if this poll is confusing Gender with someone's sex, I voted 2 for that.
The poll explicitly says gender, not sex.

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The Flood / Re: How do you want to die?
« on: September 21, 2014, 04:07:12 PM »
I wouldn't want to die until I accomplished something I was genuinely proud of. But the actual method? I think dying to save another life would be nice. I know that's still kind of a bleak answer but as long as I'm mentally at rest, I can manage a few minutes of physical pain, whatever it turns out to be.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 12:37:15 PM »
If you want more wealth, you need to take it from someone else.
I'm not being facetious when I say that's the single-biggest fallacy among lay-economists.

In answer to your question, however, yes, wealth redistribution has the potential to cause deadweight loss on the economy.
I don't think you're understanding the scientific geological factors here... like at all. Raw elements and materials cannot be expanded upon. We have only what the earth has to offer, and the question I'm asking is whether or not it's enough to create a middle class standard for all people AND to focus on technological innovation. I cannot tell if you just don't understand or if you're purposely ignoring my point, but it's frustrating either way.

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The Flood / Re: Feminism made the mistake of waking the sleeping giant.
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:57:07 AM »
Most gamers don't actually care about the imaginary threat that videogames are going to stop being sold, or whatever it is people are worried about.

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Serious / Re: How many genders do you recognize?
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:48:42 AM »
2

inb4liberals
Shouldn't you be at church right now?

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Serious / Re: How many genders do you recognize?
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:47:55 AM »
I really, really don't care so long as nobody's making a big deal out of not legitimately being able to identify as an apache attack helicopter.
When I made this thread a few months ago on B.net, you said that there were 7 billion genders.

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Serious / Re: I think it's time we give up on Africa.
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:40:29 AM »
It sounds harsh, but...obviously those people are never going to learn or progress in anything. The fact that they seem content to live in almost primal conditions with no modern anything is baffling.
Yeah you pretty much don't know what you're talking about. Africa has actually seen some of the greatest progress in the past couple decades. You're confusing the stereotype that Africans live in jungles and swing from trees from how they actually live. Yes, a lot of the continent is poor and struggling, but a lot of it is also doing well.

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Serious / Re: The Geopolitics of World War Three
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:31:23 AM »
The only thing I got out of that video is that there is no real good guy or bad guy, just guys fighting over money and power, but most people already know that. It's hard to take him seriously with all of his blatant fear mongering.

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Serious / Re: A universal substance
« on: September 21, 2014, 10:40:01 AM »
... Atoms? pretty sure everything is made of atoms.
And things make up atoms, do they not? Atoms also vary from one to another.
fine, you want to get all super srs, then the individual quarks make up everything.
Quarks vary too. There's at least six of them.

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Serious / Re: A universal substance
« on: September 21, 2014, 10:19:25 AM »
... Atoms? pretty sure everything is made of atoms.
And things make up atoms, do they not? Atoms also vary from one to another.

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The Flood / When's the last time you saw someone in public wearing a fedora?
« on: September 21, 2014, 10:18:32 AM »
And did they fit the stereotype?

I last saw one about a year ago. It was actually my friend which was weird. He wasn't fat, but he did have the neckbeard. He's also an atheist, but luckily he wasn't wearing a trenchcoat.

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Serious / Re: Capitalism - a new perspective
« on: September 21, 2014, 10:00:13 AM »
My main problem with Marx, as the late Christopher Hitchens noted, was that he drastically underestimated the capacity for capitalistic innovation.

Other than that, I'm not entirely sure how to approach your question. I don't know what you're asking. It seems to me that inordinate wealth distribution is not only unnecessary, but undesirable. I'm all for redistributing wealth to the bottom of the socioeconomic pile now though, without taxing the rich at 80pc as some French academics would have us do. I'm not entirely sure how you can justify the "cut off point", either. When do we reach the point of enough innovation to begin the redistribution of wealth?
The question I'm asking is, were we to redistribute the wealth (and in doing so, taking it away from scientists, engineers, and technicians) would we be able to sustain the same level, or any level, of technological innovation. Technology helps us manage and collect our resources. Eventually, we should have enough resources so that we can care for the poorest without taking it from ourselves.

I think what's not being understood is that I see economics as the division of a limited supply of resources. If you want more wealth, you need to take it from someone else. Economics gets more complicated than that when you factor in imaginary wealth where there is greater value on arts than its material components (and there are many other complications of course). But at the end of the day, you can't fluctuate the amount of gold, copper, and aluminum which are all necessary to build cities and sustain an average middle class household.

Elemental makeup of the earth's crust:


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Serious / Re: A universal substance
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:40:52 AM »
Are you gonna be a physicist for Halloween, dustypoo?
I suck at physics.

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The Flood / Re: What kind of shirts do you wear?
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:36:29 AM »
Clothes these days are just awfully made. Either that or I just have a weird body. I can shirts that fit right but they're just way too long, they reach down to my crotch. They should just fall over the belt, it sucks because when I buy clothes I always have to take it to a tailor to fix it.
Maybe you're just really short?

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The Flood / Re: How does one deter unwanted flirting?
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:34:44 AM »
Pick your nose while they're talking to you.

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The Flood / Re: If you could choose...
« on: September 21, 2014, 01:32:05 AM »
I got a 24 hour ban just for indirectly calling out a user (that anti-natalism thread).

You better this shit real quick.
Except that anti-natalism thread was entirely designed around calling out one specific user. The option in the poll is more of a friendly jab at Noelle, while also serving an actual purposes in the confines of the thread.
lol

I think we all know you two hate each other.

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The Flood / Re: What kind of shirts do you wear?
« on: September 21, 2014, 01:29:35 AM »
You're lacking Polos and Henleys.
You're not really missing out on much with Polos, but Henleys are the shit.
Oh I have polos I just forgot to mention.

And Henleys look pretty cool.

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The Flood / Re: If you could choose...
« on: September 21, 2014, 01:28:30 AM »
I got a 24 hour ban just for indirectly calling out a user (that anti-natalism thread).

You better edit this shit real quick.


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The Flood / What kind of shirts do you wear?
« on: September 21, 2014, 01:15:51 AM »
All I own are button downs and t-shirts. I feel like I'm lacking but I don't know what.

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