Relax Jim. I'm sure Sandtrap meant no slight.

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 26, 2014, 12:22:35 PM

Okay. Let's just sit down a minute here. I knew this was going to lure you of all people here.

"And that's when the attack comes, not from the front, but from the side.

One Goji, you didn't even know was there."

XD

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Look at your body. What is it? It's the result of a very, very long line of evolution. A process that's slowly been perfected to the best that it can be made over a very long period of slow, gradual, natural adjustments.

It's hardly the best that it can be made. As you've said it, our bodies are products of evolution. i.e. mutations, changes which are seeded based on positive reaction to environmental stimuli.

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But still holds merit.

What holds merit?

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We fight to survive. To keep going. And that means, that life, the life we hold, is important.

Why? I know you explain it in the next line, but that's basically begging the question.

Why is it important? Are you referring to intrinsic importance? Extrinsic? Who is the observer to create valuation of importance here?

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Because if it wasn't, why would we fight so hard to keep it?

Appeal to nature here. All appeals to nature like this can easily be defeated by, well, other appeals to nature: what if the logical endpoint of evolution is to get to a point where a species is intelligent enough to create synthetic replacements?

Answer: You can't operate on one hypothetical without looking at the other.

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You would abuse it.

I would say that "abuse" of it wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Let alone perfectly replicating them into a synthetic counterpart.

Replication isn't the purpose- revision is.

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What happens, when you take away what you have, that already functions well on it's own? What happens, when you replace it with something that functions better, but lacks the spark and the feeling that only a hand, or an arm will ever provide?

You negate the problems of associated with flesh. You upgrade your body. And you upgrade your mind.

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You lose control. You lose feeling.

Erm... you do realize that feelings are simply neurotransmitters traveling through axons throughout your body and registering electrical impulses right? And that prosthetic arms are being developed which can perfectly replicate the sensation of touch as well, correct? If you truly want feeling, it can still be done with cybernetics.

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Your survival instinct, the will to survive another day, vanishes.

And perhaps we can replace it with something better. Something more cerebral.

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And when that happens, every door is open to all the darkest things that lurk in our heads.

I'm ready.

Then again, I'm super crazy supportive when it comes to synthetics/AI/H+ movements in general.

The point to be made here is, when you look at the current state of the world, we aren't ready to start lobbing off body parts and replacing them. Even today, our technology is moving faster than we are. It's accelerating faster than we can naturally evolve. And that's the point. If we try to run before we walk, we're going to fall on our asses.

By the time something as fine tuned as cybernetics comes out at the level I mention, we'll be thousands of years behind them in terms of brain capacity to handle what comes with them.

So we're not allowed to single out other users, right? Mock them or anything? Because you're an idiot. Like, have you ever had any experience with any US Servicemen or the military at all? It is one of the greatest celebrations of diversity ever. Did you cook this entire thread up in five minutes. Because it's nearly incoherent. The US military has made greater strides towards accepting minorities of race, gender, and sex than any other non-special interest group in America. This has not always been the case prior to the 90's but it is now.

You are correct in aspect. US servicemen are indoctrinated. We are, it's part of our training. But we are not indoctrinated in the combative sense that you are implying we are indoctrinated in the denotative sense of the word as exampled in this Merriam Webster's definition. Definition 1. Then with partisan support of our government. Though, very few ever join the armed forces without already a strong conviction in the principles this nation was founded on.

Main Entry: in·doc·tri·nate 
Pronunciation: \in-ˈdäk-trə-ˌnāt\
transitive verb
1 :  to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments :  teach 2 :  to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle

What makes you think that a "military soldier" doesn't think for themselves? What gave you that impression? Was it an ignorance of the training we receive? Indoctrination to immediately respond to a scenario without having to think about it. A gut reflex that saves lives on the battlefield. What makes you think that becoming an armed servicemen erases your personality and leads you to blindly accept what your told?

I don't even care about fucking cybernetics, I care about the lackadaisical way in which you portray my brother's in arms. A complete and total disregard for the humanity in each American that wears a uniform. You may not even realize how it looks to me and you probably think I'm overreacting but if I'm going to die for you, I'd rather you didn't disrespect me for no reason other than some half-cocked bullshit thread about cybernetics that follows no logical thought pattern.

I never said anything of the sort. Never said that a soldier is not a person. A soldier is a person, in every sense of things. You know that fellow that got shot in Ottawa earlier in the week? He was a person.

But it doesn't change the fact, that in order to do their job, soldiers need to be conditioned. I never said that every soldier was just a point and shoot wind up toy. But, think about it. A job like the military attracts those sorts of people. Personalities match the job that best suits them right?

When I wrote this, I was thinking of the people out there who are, and do act as wind up constructs. But, I am aware that its a foolish generalization to hold. I watched soldiers protest the recent wars and events related to america, about shipping them off to countries where they weren't needed.

I respect the job and the people who take it up, because it's sadly, an uglier part of our world, and a necessary one at that.

You know all the recent stigmas against cops? I treat it the same way as I do soldiers. There are good people. And there are bad. Some join for the wrong reasons. And all it takes is one bad apple to ruin the image of those who are genuine.

Believe me, I know that soldiers are people too. But you're fooling yourself if you don't think there's issues and corruption in the background.

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Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 26, 2014, 12:07:42 PM

Hell, If I was offered the chance to hack off a limb and replace it with cybernetics then I'd gladly take it <.<

Then you're making a mistake.

I would strongly disagree >.>

Okay. Let's just sit down a minute here. I knew this was going to lure you of all people here. So let's get down to brass tacks.

Look at your body. What is it? It's the result of a very, very long line of evolution. A process that's slowly been perfected to the best that it can be made over a very long period of slow, gradual, natural adjustments.

But, what is the most important thing that you're missing here, is that your body clings to life. It fights for survival. Every part of you will fight to the bitter end to keep going. Part of it is a natural, ingrained survival instinct. The other part, is less grounded. But still holds merit.

We fight to survive. To keep going. And that means, that life, the life we hold, is important. Because if it wasn't, why would we fight so hard to keep it?

As I said, I support synthetic implants for those who need them.

But you know what that drive of yours tells me? That want to remove something of yours that isn't broken?

You would abuse it. And so would others. Not only that, but, I believe we're thousands of years off from even understanding how our own bodies truly work. Let alone perfectly replicating them into a synthetic counterpart.

So, I pose my wager to you.

What happens, when you take away what you have, that already functions well on it's own? What happens, when you replace it with something that functions better, but lacks the spark and the feeling that only a hand, or an arm will ever provide?

You lose control. You lose feeling. What happens to those that lose that feeling? Suicide. Depression. Psychotic tendancies emerge.

The more you remove from yourself, the more detached you become from the reality around you. Your empathy, your feelings, will degrade because that ancient, primal force in your original body is gone. Your survival instinct, the will to survive another day, vanishes.

And when that happens, every door is open to all the darkest things that lurk in our heads.

So, unless you can create a body part, that can perfectly replicate every single feeling in a finger for example, the tension of skin and muscle, the sting or feel of touch or pain, the ache when moved too far, the tiredness of tendons having to much strain on them, and everything else that you feel, then all I have to say is.

Your move.

Just a quick question. Would you like this in Serious? =/

I didn't put it in serious because it's a simple idea and discussion. There is no news coverage here, nothing of any real importance. Just a simple idea. Thoughts and musings have no place in the serious board if they don't have a base to go off of. Plus, the serious board is ded surprise big not.

When I'm not surrounding myself in self inflicted constructs of sadness I suppose I can be half decent. Couple days ago I helped set up a huge burn furnace. Lifted the damn thing up to a sitting position, pissed around with the chimney and climbed up top to set everything up. And I did it for free. Even fell off the damn thing when I tried to get down and fucked one of my legs a bit. Didn't bitch about it though.

Most folks around here, and in general, don't do that sort of thing these days. I am pathetic in my self created twists and turns of sadness that I can't seem to get a hold of, and yet, not pathetic because I only seek to make things the best I can, wherever I can.

It's just an animal, who cares?

It's not the animal. It's the life.

You know what life is, right? It's an experience. It's a gift. You should care. Because for all you know, your time here is all you have. I appreciate life, because I've seen it taken. I've almost had it ripped from me, more than once. And now, I've taken it.

Your body fights infections, fights pain, pushes you to seek safety when you are hurt. Why? Because it wants to survive. It wants to cling to life for as long as it can. And that means, that if your body fights so hard to cling to life, to keep you going, then you should care.

You should care, about any life you take. It doesn't matter how small or big. I'm not saying killing can be avoided. Fuck sakes, that's the reason I made this thread. But you should understand when you kill something, that you've taken something you can never give back. And you should be respectful, and thankful for that sacrifice.

Tell me, you have a dog? A cat?

Fuck sakes. I don't know what I'm supposed to do today. No work at the moment. I feel sick to my stomach about all this. And I'm trying to find something to do. Trying to start something. Anything. And it's just like yesterday. Stonewalled at every fucking corner and given the middle finger to progress or success. Fuck it.

Fuck it all to hell. I'm done playing these fucking days like a maze of traps. Sick of this stupid shit, sick and fucking tired of having to do everything I do alone. Fuck this day. And fuck everything else along with it. I'll see you folks on the other side of things, if there is anything remotely nice to be found at the end of this fucking road today.

BOOMER!

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Quote from: Wonder Korra on October 25, 2014, 09:56:50 AM

Patrolling the Canadian Wasteland makes you wish for American Winter.

Lol. Merican winters. When winter comes, and that'll be any day now, I'll show you folks what winter is.

*sigh*
I want real Canadian winters. :L
We don't get that here in Toronto...

Found some old pics from a couple years ago. Not the best, but if we get the type of weather I'm hoping for, I'll show you folks something else.

Remember. Keep the knife straight so your bread slices don't get lopsided and thick on one side.

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Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 25, 2014, 02:17:23 AM

Just a warning Sandtrap, if Kiyo sees this she is going to attack you for killing an animal. She believes animals, humans included, should be tortured instead of killed if they are suffering.

She won't have to do much. I'm already in a shitty way all of my own construct. But supposed harrassment? 90% of my life was this. There isn't much that can be said that would upset me. The only one who can upset me, is me.

Why does everyone here get so..... emo?

If you've been watching, you'll notice that a fair percentage of people in the world today have woes and problems. And a lot of them are unhappy about them. I just spin words differently is all. Where someone would say, "I feel like shit," I'd do it a little differently.

Just a warning Sandtrap, if Kiyo sees this she is going to attack you for killing an animal. She believes animals, humans included, should be tortured instead of killed if they are suffering.

She won't have to do much. I'm already in a shitty way all of my own construct. But supposed harrassment? 90% of my life was this. There isn't much that can be said that would upset me. The only one who can upset me, is me.

Deer don't die easy.
You can get a clean shot with a .7mm, destroying the lungs and heart, and they'll still run for a mile.

Sad situation, but its the nature of things. Guess it'd pay to have grown up hunting in that situation since you'd be a bit more desensitized to that type of stuff. But yeah if you've never killed anything before then that'd be a bit rough on ya.

I don't believe in killing anything unless necessary. But I believe, if you've got to do it, then make it fair. Make it quick. I failed that because I couldn't steady my hand.

I don't even really know what to call it. The day was bad. But tonight. I don't even know why I should do this. But it's stuck in my head. I can't get it out.

It's fall, and at night, there's a lot of animals around. Deer and stuff. And, this night, I found one on the road. Somebody ran it over, and either didn't give a fuck or didn't see that it was still alive. And I found it. Broken back and mangled legs. Insides outside.

I don't have a gun. But I wouldn't leave it. I wouldn't turn my back on it. I tried. I swear to god I did. I took an axe out of the back of my truck, and I tried. I missed. I missed, and I made it worse. And it tried so hard, to get away. And I tried again, and I made it worse.

I had to stamp my boot down on its head, and on the third swing, that was it. I threw my coat away because it got everywhere. And I just had a shower, scrubbed my hands, and I can still smell it. I have never taken any life on purpose. With a gun, you can close your eyes and steady your aim. But I watched all of it. And I can't forget its eyes, or how hard it tried to get away from me, after I made it worse. Pain and fear. I was a monster, coming to kill it, coming ot hurt it. And I did.

Ooh la la.