Concrete work isn't too bad.

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 27, 2014, 05:11:39 PM

*450 in Canada*

*Throw in another 60 because tax and shit*

*510 bucks*

yup... fuck the Xbone, I could get a brand new PC for that.

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And you know what? I can take that heat..

But you don't have to.
Why suffer when the avenue of escape is a free gift?

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I don't know if I should call technically being born dead love.
I wouldn't call all the "nice" people I've met in my life an expression of love.
I certainly wouldn't call myself getting hit by a truck love.
I wouldn't call myself being graced with asbestos damaged lungs any sort of love.
Nor would I call a simple flu turning into an advanced respitory infection and dumping me into a coma a form of love.

However, if all of these things do count as "love," then I suppose my father punching my mother upside the head and breaking her jaw in front of me at three years old could be called love too.

Hmm, nope, not feeling the love tonight god. Definitely not feeling it. I guess god's just going to have to sleep on the couch tonight again since I don't want none of what he can give, if anything.

You do realize you pretty much ignored any good in your life and just said that because there's bad God sucks?

I had to carve out what little good my life has consisted of by myself. 19 years. For 19 years, my life was misery. Pain, suffering, and bullshit. Out of those 19 years, very, very few pictures of happiness come to mind. I can count them on one single hand.

I didn't ignore the good. I'm just pointing out the obvious here. 19 years of a bad life vs 2, coming up on 3 years of a life I fought and earned by myself, with no one to do it but me. If there is a so called "God" as the bible would define him, then he's a sack of old sacks.

Not wanting to start a debate, but do you think it possible that because of humanity's free will, PEOPLE made your circumstances the way they were? Not God?

 I mean I can blame God all day, but is it really His fault? Why do my circumstances dictate God's attitude towards me?

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 27, 2014, 11:23:34 PM

I don't know if I should call technically being born dead love.
I wouldn't call all the "nice" people I've met in my life an expression of love.
I certainly wouldn't call myself getting hit by a truck love.
I wouldn't call myself being graced with asbestos damaged lungs any sort of love.
Nor would I call a simple flu turning into an advanced respitory infection and dumping me into a coma a form of love.

However, if all of these things do count as "love," then I suppose my father punching my mother upside the head and breaking her jaw in front of me at three years old could be called love too.

Hmm, nope, not feeling the love tonight god. Definitely not feeling it. I guess god's just going to have to sleep on the couch tonight again since I don't want none of what he can give, if anything.

You do realize you pretty much ignored any good in your life and just said that because there's bad God sucks?

You've gotta show some raging, a peacekeeper comment trying to stop it.....THEN more freaking out XD

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 27, 2014, 06:12:23 PM

What I mean by Vader having his guard up, is that he can generate barriers. Physical barriers that stop anybody from passing them. Physical barriers that are immune to the force and lightsabers.

But they're not the be all and end all to every physical attack. According to the wiki it takes a relative amount of concentration to sustain for long periods of time and can also be collapsed after a multitude of physical or telekinetic barrages. It's not like it's Vader's cheat code or anything.

Besides, where was his shield when he got BTFO by Luke on the Death Star?

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What I mean by killing you, is that Vader could kill you at range before Wolverine engaged him. Even if Wolverine knew he was coming, Vader has so much shit under his sleeves that he wouldn't have to physically beat wolverine in combat to win. One stray frorce push, a grapple, a thrown lightsaber, and he could kill you while dealing with Wolverine.

Ah, I forgot the objective was to kill me, not for the opponents to win. Apologies. I will concede to that point.

I guess the scenario is kind of rigged then, because Wolverine can't protect me as well as Vader can, but Vader can't really kill Wolverine once all other opponents have been eliminated. Huh. Tricky one this.

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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.

I've read the wiki. It already elaborates that he's half the Sith Lord that he could've been were he not immolated on Mustafar. Apparently he focused more on light saber skills rather than force skills too. It's not exactly convincing me, but sure, if all the other opponents decided to attack him from afar in one big line, he could win. But that's a relatively unrealistic scenario, not to mention that it basically disregards everyone else' character.

I can see him taking down the street level guys like Hellboy, Marv and Dredd no problem. And yeah, he could probably shit on Batman and Predator too. But Wolverine? He's basically an invulnerable Batman on roids. There's nothing that Vader has in his repertoire that could kill him. Incapacitate him maybe, but that's assuming Logan attacks him head on without any forward planning. The dude's basically a ninja, taught in multiple forms of martial and escape artistry during his escapades in Japan. If he doesn't want Vader to spot him, Vader will not spot him. And given that Vader's suit isn't exactly renown for it's durability, it's safe to assume that Logan takes this relatively easily.

Vader focused a lot on saber combat, but that doesn't mean his force abilities weren't incredibly powerful. Even when sapped of strength, his abilities aren't something you fuck around with.

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Darth Vader made extensive use of both the Force Choke and Force Crush abilities, as he demonstrated numerous times throughout his life. On a similar note, he was also capable of using the Force to telekinetically destroy a target's internal organs.

The Dark Lord also possessed skill in the use of Tutaminis, such as when he absorbed several blaster bolts from Han Solo's blaster on Bespin.

He was also capable of using Force deflection to redirect blaster bolts, sometimes even at whomever fired them.

He also had proficiency in the use of Kinetite, which he used in an attempt to defeat his son on Mimban.

However, that power only demonstrated once, when he used the Force enhancing Kaiburr. Vader also used a similar power to Force Destruction when facing Galen Marek on the first Death Star. In this instance, he would surround himself with a red energy field which he would then unleash at Marek. On a similar note, the aforementioned energy field also functioned as a barrier that Marek could not penetrate with either the Force or his lightsaber. Thus it would appear that Vader retained his skill at creating Force barriers.

 In addition, he utilized either a semi-visible Force barrier or a protection bubble several times during the Gentis coup to fend off the attacks of Gentis's traitorous soldiers. Vader also knew how to utilize the Force cloak technique, having both applied it as Anakin and taught it to the Dark Apprentice.


The Dark Lord could also use telepathy, such as when he communicated with his son shortly after their duel on Bespin.

Vader demonstrated the ability to drain knowledge from his victims opponents, such as when he discovered that Luke had a twin sister. Vader was also adept at saber throw, which he would often utilize in combat to make up for his relative lack of mobility.

After Vader's injuries, his natural strength was vastly augmented by the addition of his cybernetic enhancements. In addition, Vader retained the ability to increase his strength and speed by using the Force. He showcased on multiple occasions the ability to both lift and hold a grown man off the ground at arm's length with no apparent effort. As he demonstrated on Captain Raymus Antilles and Shadday Potkin among others, he also had the ability to crush a human throat bare-handed.

 Vader also demonstrated remarkable physical durability and resistance to pain throughout his time as a Sith. On at least two occasions, he was stabbed straight through the chest with both a lightsaber and a vibroblade, and hardly reacted in either case.

 Additionally, his prosthetics and armor allowed him to survive deadly environmental hazards such as explosions, toxins, diseases, and even the vacuum of space. It also provided Vader with a constant supply of pain suppressing drugs to help him function with his wounds. However, the suit was only moderately insulated, and thus its life-support systems were relatively vulnerable to electrical discharges.

While Vader was usually dependent on the respirator systems of the suit to breath, he was capable of using the dark side to temporarily heal his lung damage during his meditations. However, the relief he experienced during these sessions was very transient, lasting only minutes at best. He speculated that the momentary happiness he experienced as a result of healing himself disrupted his concentration, and robbed him of the hate that was necessary to maintain the dark side-based healing power.

During his mission to Atoa however, his deranged state of mind and immense rage apparently allowed him to use this healing technique to a far greater degree. In this instance, he was seen to operate in standard atmospheric conditions for a considerable length of time without his helmet, even while physically exerting himself.

Besides the life support it provided his ravaged body, Vader's Sith armor also offered limited protection against the blades of lightsabers. In a climactic duel with his son in the depths of Cloud City, a quick blow from Luke's lightsaber appeared to cut the armor only shallowly, although this was enough to draw a surprised cry from the Dark Lord. However, most of the armor was purposely made out of non-lightsaber resistant material, as Vader worried that he might grow sloppy if he relied too much on his armor to protect him in duels.

It should be noted that Darth Vader, despite being a powerful Sith Lord, was rarely seen generating Force lightning. This was due to the extensive presence of cybernetic augmentations in his body as well as the presence of the electronic life-support system in his suit. Any attempt by Vader to generate Force lightning carried the great risk of causing these systems to short-circuit, possibly to deadly effect. There are however, a few circumstances where he has been recorded using it, most notably when he was in close proximity to the Force-enhancing Kaiburr crystal.

In this case, he was seen to generate "Force energized lightning" in the form of Kinetite, which he used against his son.

The crystal however, was also seen to erode Vader's self control to the point that he was actively trying to kill Luke during their duel, despite the fact that he very much wanted only to capture him. Thus, it is not known whether the crystal shielded Vader from the potentially fatal effects of generating Force lightning, or eroded his self control to the point that he simply disregarded the risks.

On one occasion, he also demonstrated the ability to re-direct already existing electricity. During his battle with Starkiller on Kamino, he was able to gather residual electricity from the lightning rods surrounding the battleground and blast it at his opponent. Vader also demonstrated the ability to both block and redirect Force lightning with the Force, as he demonstrated during his duel with Galen Marek on board the first Death Star. He could also use his lightsaber to ground extremely high-intensity blasts of Force lightning with little effort.

In combat, Vader was extremely adept at utilizing telekinetic attacks, and often made liberal use of his telekinetic abilities during duels. He was capable of performing incredibly powerful Force Pushes and Grips, and was capable of breaking through the telekinetic defenses of Force-sensitives of Galen Marek and the cloned Starkiller's caliber. He was also very proficient in the application of Force Repulse and Force Wave, and was able to generate enough power with both attacks to easily kill Force-insensitive assailants. In particular, he was capable of using Force Waves to kill dozens of opponents simultaneously.

 One of Vader's favorite tactics during duels was his use of Force Throw to pull apart objects in his environment and fling them at his opponents. This served as both an effective practical attack and a way of demoralizing his opponents. Darth Vader first utilized this technique during his duel on Mustafar with Obi-Wan Kenobi, slicing shards of metal from the walls and shooting them at his opponent. However, Kenobi's mastery of Soresu allowed him to deflect the shards.

 After gaining his armor, Darth Vader used this tactic to bring down Roan Shryne on Kashyyyk, ripping apart the wooden platforms in their battleground and flinging waves of debris at the Jedi from all sides. His most arguably famous usage of this ability was against Luke Skywalker during their duel on Bespin, when he used it to batter Skywalker with everything and anything that happened to be in the room they were in.

 His effectiveness with this technique was further bolstered by the fact that he was capable of telekinetically griping and hurling objects without the need to utilize the "throwing" motion that nearly all Force sensitives were seen to use. This was most evident during his fight with Luke on Bespin, where he was able to surprise his son by telekinetically throwing a metal box at his head while maintaining a two-handed bladelock.

 Additionally, when applying this technique against Roan Shryne, Vader simply stood in one place with his arms folded across his chest.

I'm not saying it'd be a stroll for Wolverine, but given that his regular opponents in comic continuity are various telekinetics such Magneto, Jean Grey, Apocalypse etc, it's not like he's never faced something like Vader before.

Also, like I said, Vader doesn't really have anything to kill him, or counter his stealth attacks. Unless they start on opposite sides of the arena in full view of each other, Logan could take him no hassle.

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Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 27, 2014, 05:10:35 PM

Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.

But is any of that actually canon though?