60fps is objectively best

60fps is objectively best

Not if you have an artistic purpose to have 30fps.

Then it can't be objectively better.

Quote from: Braixen on October 10, 2015, 07:21:03 PM

60fps is objectively best

Not if you have an artistic purpose to have 30fps.

Then it can't be objectively better.

What artistic purpose would a developer have to make a game only run at 30 frames?

i don't see how it can be used in an artistic sense but okay

What artistic purpose would a developer have to make a game only run at 30 frames?

Maybe a developer wants to make a game that will evoke irrational anger into the player, and one of the methods he uses is to implement 30fps, partially because he knows a lot of gamers prefer 60, and partially to prove the thematic point that people shouldn't get irrationally angry over such stupid shit.

For that purpose, 30fps is objectively better than 60fps.

I could think of any number of artistic purposes, but the point is, there ARE artistic purposes.

At the end of the day, frame rate is just a number. Numbers can be higher and lower than each other, but they cannot be "better" or "worse" than each other.

Quote from: Braixen on October 10, 2015, 07:23:38 PM

i don't see how it can be used in an artistic sense but okay

Quote from: Notch's little brother on October 10, 2015, 07:23:42 PM

What artistic purpose would a developer have to make a game only run at 30 frames?

Maybe a developer wants to make a game that will evoke irrational anger into the player, and one of the methods he uses is to implement 30fps, partially because he knows a lot of gamers prefer 60, and partially to prove the thematic point that people shouldn't get irrationally angry over such stupid shit.

For that purpose, 30fps is objectively better than 60fps.

I could think of any number of artistic purposes, but the point is, there ARE artistic purposes.

At the end of the day, frame rate is just a number. Numbers can be higher and lower than each other, but they cannot be "better" or "worse" than each other.

What would even be the point in something like that? It wouldn't invoke any irrational anger in anyone they'd just stop playing it if they didn't like how the game was capped at 30 frames. 

What would even be the point in something like that? It wouldn't invoke any irrational anger in anyone they'd just stop playing it if they didn't like how the game was capped at 30 frames.

That's not the point. The point is, a developer could totally try and utilize 30fps for conducting that explicit purpose. Whether or not it works is irrelevant--the developer had a vision and intent in mind--and for that specific vision, and that specific intent, 30fps would have made a better choice.

You're literally asking what the point of art is. Surely you realize why that's stupid.

i don't see how it can be used in an artistic sense but okay

You lack imagination, then.

The point is, just because you can't come up with a good reason to lower the FPS, doesn't mean there isn't one.

Okay

Okay

Do you understand, or are you just giving up?

60fps objectively provides a smoother image and a more fluid game, quicker response time, button input, and visual feedback.

These are things you can't deny.

60fps objectively provides a smoother image and a more fluid game, quicker response time, button input, and visual feedback.

These are things you can't deny.

Yeah. I can't, and I never have. However, I can still argue that none of these things are objectively "good".

If you enjoy any of those things, that's just your opinion. Your preference.
It's okay to have preferences--it's not okay to state your preferences as facts.

In other words, some people may just not be looking for any of those things--some of them can even be considered negative, like "quicker response time"--that can make the game slightly easier, which, if you want to make a more punishing game, perhaps you'd opt for 30 frames instead to give it that extra edge.

Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 10, 2015, 07:40:47 PM

60fps objectively provides a smoother image and a more fluid game, quicker response time, button input, and visual feedback.

These are things you can't deny.

Yeah. I can't, and I never have. However, I can still argue that none of these things are objectively "good".

If you enjoy any of those things, that's just your opinion. Your preference.
It's okay to have preferences--it's not okay to state your preferences as facts.

The fact that 60+ FPS is superior to 30 FPS isn't a personal preference.

The fact that 60+ FPS is superior to 30 FPS isn't a personal preference.

I've given multiple scenarios where 30fps would be superior to 60fps already.

Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 10, 2015, 07:43:21 PM

I get your whole artistic vision thing, but it isn't really applicable because it isn't used that way.

Never been used =/= can't be used.

You people lack the imagination the industry needs.

Yes, because the gaming industry needs more hipster pet project indie games. Like Steam isn't already flooded with those. 

Yes, because the gaming industry needs more hipster pet project indie games. Like Steam isn't already flooded with those.

No, the industry needs creative leaders to take risks and be inventive with the hardware.

Gaming has by far the most potential of ANY entertainment medium to become art -- it just... isn't. And that's awful.