So why is it you guys think your liking shitty watered down games...

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 19, 2015, 11:53:40 AM

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Dopameme · June 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AM

what are you even ranting about

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Super Irish · June 19, 2015, 11:57:33 AM

Quote from: Tryptameme on June 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AM

what are you even ranting about

He hates Fallout 4 already.

This resulted in a large thread on #gaming, and now he's here ranting about it.

Edit: Oh, that's cool. # autolinks.

Dopameme · June 19, 2015, 11:58:12 AM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 19, 2015, 11:57:33 AM

Quote from: Tryptameme on June 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
what are you even ranting about

He hates Fallout 4 already.

This resulted in a large thread on [url=http://sep7agon.net/index.php?board=4.0]#gaming[/url], and now he's here ranting about it.

how can somebody hate a game that isn't even out yet?

Super Irish · June 19, 2015, 11:59:56 AM

Quote from: Tryptameme on June 19, 2015, 11:58:12 AM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 19, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tryptameme on June 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
what are you even ranting about

He hates Fallout 4 already.

This resulted in a large thread on [url=http://sep7agon.net/index.php?board=4.0][url=http://sep7agon.net/index.php?board=4.0][url=http://sep7agon.net/index.php?board=4.0]#gaming[/url][/url][/url], and now he's here ranting about it.
how can somebody hate a game that isn't even out yet?

Door can. I mean it's fair enough to have criticisms about what we've seen of it, but judging an entire game on the very little we have on it is stretching the limits.

DAS B00T x2 · June 19, 2015, 12:00:56 PM

#gayming

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 19, 2015, 12:02:00 PM

It's pretty obvious that its going to be "streamlined" ala Skyrim, but to what degree we don't fully know yet.

Girl of Mystery · June 19, 2015, 12:05:48 PM

You're still crying about Fallout 4?

CK97 · June 19, 2015, 12:32:49 PM

The game's not even out. Chill.

RadicalClass32 · June 19, 2015, 12:36:59 PM

>Ranting about Fallout 4
>Not even out to play
>#gaming

>mfw this is typical door

Legit 8-Bit · June 19, 2015, 12:38:50 PM

I'm having quite a hard time understanding what the hell you're rambling on about.

Tyger · June 19, 2015, 12:42:44 PM

> watered down
> adds more complex crafting system
> adds settlement building and economies
> adds more complex armor system

Wat

Comet · June 19, 2015, 12:45:10 PM

the only thing im worried about is dialogue options.

Verbatim · June 19, 2015, 12:59:37 PM

I think the game's gonna suck, too, but I mean, I don't think it's worth making thread after thread over.

Super Irish · June 19, 2015, 01:07:32 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 19, 2015, 12:45:10 PM

the only thing im worried about is dialogue options.

Same here, but apparently it has been discerned so far that:

A is positive (on xbox it's Green)
B is negative (Red)
X is neutral (Blue)
Y is further explanation/caution (Yellow/ "But Y tho?")

But I would far prefer the normal dialogue method, that's something that has been in every Fallout game, was a perfectly fine system and would like it to stay that way.

big sponge · June 19, 2015, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 19, 2015, 12:42:44 PM

> watered down
> adds more complex crafting system
> adds settlement building and economies
> adds more complex armor system

Wat

At the cost of dialogue options, a moldable character, a true branching story, and RPG mechanics. These two don't even have to be mutually exclusive. Bethesda is just trying to further casualize the RPG genre.

June 19, 2015, 01:13:53 PM

Obsidian could have kept Fallout, right?
They could've taken the Elder Scrolls series as well.

I would have taken a Fallout: LA instead of retreating towards the east coast again. Hell, I wouldn't have minded another Fallout in Chicago.

June 19, 2015, 01:15:43 PM

Double post

Tyger · June 19, 2015, 01:17:57 PM

Quote from: LC on June 19, 2015, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 19, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
> watered down
> adds more complex crafting system
> adds settlement building and economies
> adds more complex armor system

Wat

At the cost of dialogue options, a moldable character, a true branching story, and RPG mechanics. These two don't even have to be mutually exclusive. Bethesda is just trying to further casualize the RPG genre.

LC pulling stuff out of his ass again
How do you know the story already?
What rpg mechanics do you want? Dice rolls? How do you know what rpg mechanics are even in the game? Not a mold able character? oh no the character has a voice boo hoo plenty of excellent RPGs have voiced characters

Comet · June 19, 2015, 01:29:06 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 19, 2015, 01:07:32 PM

A is positive (on xbox it's Green)
B is negative (Red)
X is neutral (Blue)
Y is further explanation/caution (Yellow/ "But Y tho?")

Super Irish · June 19, 2015, 01:30:43 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 19, 2015, 01:29:06 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 19, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
A is positive (on xbox it's Green)
B is negative (Red)
X is neutral (Blue)
Y is further explanation/caution (Yellow/ "But Y tho?")

Yeah I'm not happy about it either.

Coco · June 19, 2015, 01:31:08 PM

Your obsession is pathetic.

June 19, 2015, 01:44:26 PM

If they followed Mass Effect 2's speech system... I would enjoy that.

big sponge · June 19, 2015, 01:45:25 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 19, 2015, 01:17:57 PM

Quote from: LC on June 19, 2015, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: Tyger on June 19, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
> watered down
> adds more complex crafting system
> adds settlement building and economies
> adds more complex armor system

Wat

At the cost of dialogue options, a moldable character, a true branching story, and RPG mechanics. These two don't even have to be mutually exclusive. Bethesda is just trying to further casualize the RPG genre.
LC pulling stuff out of his ass again
How do you know the story already?
What rpg mechanics do you want? Dice rolls? How do you know what rpg mechanics are even in the game? Not a mold able character? oh no the character has a voice boo hoo plenty of excellent RPGs have voiced characters

It's a Bethesda story which means it's railroad simulator.

A voiced main character means less variation because you now have to pay a the VA for every line. This means less choice and everything has to be centered around the main characters pre defined personality. Think Mass Effect, for the most part Shepard is either Lawful Good or Lawful Evil.

Here's a comparison between Fallout 4, Fallout 3, and Fallout: New Vegas.

I'm talking about the stats governed gameplay, speech checks, skill checks, et cetera. Fallout 4 has removed these and turned the gameplay into what is essentially an FPS. Think the change between Mass Effect 1 and 2, but remove even more RPG mechanics.

By lacking a predefined personality and giving the player a backstory that doesn't do much other than give you a reason to exist in the world you allow the player to define their characters own personality and moral standing through their choices and actions.

Plenty of RPGs have voiced characters, but that doesn't mean you have to take an RPG that's thrived on how open it is and strip away what's defined it in order to make Falllout Effect.

You're just getting pissy because someone is pointing out flaws in Fallout 4.

Azure · June 19, 2015, 02:15:41 PM

This is about actionou- Fallout 4, isn't it?

Jono · June 19, 2015, 03:02:17 PM

Oh my gawd, stop bitching already.

Release · June 19, 2015, 03:07:54 PM

are you not even impressed by the settlement feature

some people are hard to please

Turkey · June 19, 2015, 03:14:17 PM

Fallout 3 was good.
Fallout NV was better.
Fallout 4 looks great.
Suck my dick.

Tons of dialog =/= complexity or quality

It's amazing how we've gone from wanting voice actors and role playing integrated into gameplay instead of menu screens, to bitching that we're not reading thousands of lines of dialog to progress a story.

Super Irish · June 19, 2015, 04:49:50 PM

Quote from: LC on June 19, 2015, 01:45:25 PM

I'm talking about the stats governed gameplay, speech checks, skill checks, et cetera. Fallout 4 has removed these and turned the gameplay into what is essentially an FPS.

Can I get a source on those claims?