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Just got done installing Rome 2 so I'll be starting my playthrough tomorrow. Any tips or advice from those who already played it? What factions to pick or avoid, what campaign to play (I have all the DLC) and so on? I haven't seriously played a Total War game since the first Rome, so I'm pretty out of touch with the series.
Yes. My tips would be the mods I'm about to give you that don't make the combat the complete broken shit it is. I'll link you the essentials, then link you stuff I think makes it better. One second.

Trust me on this. Otherwise you'll have people rubber banding (meaning they'll jump around, even going so far as shooting away 10 feet from the combat) and the game being shit.


 
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So Rome 2 was a mess at release, there is no doubt about that. But many patches later and mods actually saved the game. More so mods.

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Essential

Medieval 2 combat mod

This mod, in short, makes the combat not shit. Units will actually STAY in formation, NO MORE RUBBER BANDING, and many other things. This actually makes the combat GOOD.

Rome 1 style Pikemen

This mod makes the pikemen play out like in Rome 1. Basically, it does what Pikemen really did IRL, and that is keep the enemies at bay while others flank to kill them. In vanilla game, 1 of 2 things happen.

1. The enemy dies almost immediately or very quickly, which is stupid

2. The enemies will magically be able to get through a bunch of sharp sticks to the men holding them, and then they engage in melee combat. This is also insanely stupid because how you're able to get through them right away is beyond me.

Pikemen start battles with pikes

In vanilla, they don't have the pikes until they attack the enemy. Then they just MAGICALLY APPEAL and yeah. It's stupid, this is much better and you can easily identify who is who.

Better blood mod, but ONLY DOWNLOAD IF YOU HAVE THE BLOOD DLC. If not, ignore this.

Better unit cards.

It should be no secret that the unit cards in Rome 2 are horrible. They try to go for some artistic look, but only serve to confuse a FUCK LOAD of players. This mod gives the units actual looks rather than some Egyptian stupid jar painting look. There are other Unit card mods out there, but this one covers them all as far as I can tell, and the art style to it is nice.

Better music

To keep it painfully short, I will say this. The music in Rome 2 (and Attila too, but it's slightly better) is horrible. The composure is an absolute joke and the music fails to make you excited, or fit the setting at all. You may THINK this is a little thing, but it's not. It makes a massive difference, and this mod helps. You have to download the music from the Dropbox as well, and then just drop the folder (don't unzip it, just the entire folder) in your Total War Rome 2 Data folder. It's very simple.

Improved Diplomat AI

Simply put, the AI diplomacy sucks. You could get Rome at its height, ready to take a small faction with one city left, and they'd still say no peace. With this mod, the AI is actually smarter, knows when to give up, and looks for opportunities as well. Read the description for more detail.

Optional (but I still recommend)

Better campaign water

Campaign water vanilla looks too blue and ugly to me. This darkens it.

Better looking Triarii

The helmets don't look like shit.

Improved event pictures

Makes the event pics in campaign much more fitting.

New Roman Generals

Reskins the generals so they look more diverse and bad ass.

Roman Crossbowmen

This was a thing. Why they didn't put them in the game is beyond me.

Better campaign/battle map

Lets you zoom further/closer to what you want to look at. I'd get it.


And that's it really. If you read the details in each link they'll tell you more, but I have these mods and it makes the game a HELL of a lot better.


 
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For advice outside of those mods, I would say experiment. Really there is no faction to "avoid", really. You should experiment with the ones you like first obviously, and then work from there. Also know your playstyle.

Are you a fast hitting kinda player who loves cavalry? Then you'd want factions going for that.

Are you more a slow paced fighter who likes to flank the enemy? Then you'd want Makedon or Sparta with their Phalanx and Hoplites.

Or are you more ground offensive and want to push? Then maybe Rome is for you with their famed short swords and shields.

Some factions are weaker than others in some areas, but really it's all pretty damn well balanced. For tips IN game, especially campaign, I'd say pay attention to your cities. See what needs to be built.

If there is negative effects for a city and it says "-12 Religious Differences" then maybe you should erect a building that converts people to your religion over a series of turns. Also issuing an edict to an entire controlled province would help that too.

For diplomacy, when talking to another faction, look to see who their enemies and allies are. If you wanna be friends with some faction, and their enemy happens to be a friend you're helping out, then they will slowly start to hate you. Be mindful of alliances.

As for in battle? Well I say practice. Know what units do what. Never rush cavalry into spears, and always remember spears are for defense, and swords for more hard hitting offense. Practice and look up some YouTubers like Warrior of Sparta online and see how he plays. You'll learn a lot from seeing people rather than just reading.


That's about all the advice I can give you. Let me know if you have any questions.


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If you're playing as cavalry heavy faction, like the eastern or nomadic ones, you'll probably end up relying on the slow motion and pause buttons a fair bit during your battles. I think Pontus is the exception though, since they're very greek in their unit roster.

Hellenic factions like the Greeks and Successor kingdoms (and also, Carthage, I think) are very good for defensive tactics due to their heavy use of pike and spear units.

Pressing the spacebar during battles will show you where your units are moving and the hit zones for your ranged units.

Shock cavalry is for charging units, and is best used in a repeating cycle of charge and retreat, melee cavalry is for more sustained melee fighting, but they are not invincible and are best used for charging into the back of units stuck into it with your own infantry or hunting down ranged units and artillery.

Avoid leaving single units on their own, it's easy pickings for your enemy. Keep your melee infantry near your ranged units, and keep your cavalry moving when they're near the enemy to avoid them getting sucked into a fight with spearmen/heavy infantry.

Avoid using your general in fights unless you're losing or you're enemy has more or less lost. And do what you can to kill the your enemy's general for its heavy effect on the morale of your enemy.

Flanking and attacking units in the rear will reduce morale as well as kill the unit faster.

Pikemen are generally weaker against ranged units than spearmen, so factor that into your army makeup when your fighting people with horse archers.
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Better music

To keep it painfully short, I will say this. The music in Rome 2 (and Attila too, but it's slightly better) is horrible. The composure is an absolute joke and the music fails to make you excited, or fit the setting at all. You may THINK this is a little thing, but it's not. It makes a massive difference, and this mod helps. You have to download the music from the Dropbox as well, and then just drop the folder (don't unzip it, just the entire folder) in your Total War Rome 2 Data folder. It's very simple.

I've been needing this, thanks.


 
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I just play with the Radius mods...


 
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I just play with the Radius mods...
Not even Radius can fix the disaster Rome 2 was. Try my Medieval 2 one.


 
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Better music

To keep it painfully short, I will say this. The music in Rome 2 (and Attila too, but it's slightly better) is horrible. The composure is an absolute joke and the music fails to make you excited, or fit the setting at all. You may THINK this is a little thing, but it's not. It makes a massive difference, and this mod helps. You have to download the music from the Dropbox as well, and then just drop the folder (don't unzip it, just the entire folder) in your Total War Rome 2 Data folder. It's very simple.

I've been needing this, thanks.
No prob. The composer sucks ass, and while there IS a Rome 1 music mod, I feel this one just fits the art style and modernism of it far far better. Just listen to the main theme and judge for yourself.

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Lemme know if anyone wants to play, though we'd need the same mods on. That is easy though I think if we just have a select few.
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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.


 
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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.
My friend hates Sparta because he's wet for Makedon and Alexander-senpai,


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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.
My friend hates Sparta because he's wet for Makedon and Alexander-senpai,

I feel like Macedon is a crappier version of Egypt.


 
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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.
My friend hates Sparta because he's wet for Makedon and Alexander-senpai,

I feel like Macedon is a crappier version of Egypt.
But Alexander-senpai~



That fuck really split Greece. They never did form an empire after that and thus the ROMANS came and took em over.


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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.
My friend hates Sparta because he's wet for Makedon and Alexander-senpai,

I feel like Macedon is a crappier version of Egypt.
But Alexander-senpai~



That fuck really split Greece. They never did form an empire after that and thus the ROMANS came and took em over.

I don't think he wanted to really. I reckon he was mostly in it for the glory, and that he would have made a better general than an emperor. Perhaps if he'd made it past his thirties, he might have given some thought to ensuring that everything he'd done didn't go to waste. But that neither here nor there, since his empire still probably would have been steam-rolled by the Romans once they'd started looking eastwards.


 
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I have a personal love for the Sparta faction <_<  Just make peace with Athens and steamroll Epirus to start off with.
My friend hates Sparta because he's wet for Makedon and Alexander-senpai,

I feel like Macedon is a crappier version of Egypt.
But Alexander-senpai~



That fuck really split Greece. They never did form an empire after that and thus the ROMANS came and took em over.

I don't think he wanted to really. I reckon he was mostly in it for the glory, and that he would have made a better general than an emperor. Perhaps if he'd made it past his thirties, he might have given some thought to ensuring that everything he'd done didn't go to waste. But that neither here nor there, since his empire still probably would have been steam-rolled by the Romans once they'd started looking eastwards.
He was conquering when the Roman's still had their kings I think, I'm not sure.

But yeah, he was easily a better general than emperor. The only time his empire gets mentioned is for the culture it mixed with others. He's only talked about for never losing, which is amazing in itself.

Edit: I lied, I'm like 160 years off
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He's only talked about for never losing, which is amazing in itself.


Although it probably helped that he was rampaging around an empire that was past it's prime. If I recall correctly, his biggest challenge on the battlefield was Memnon of Rhodes.


 
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He's only talked about for never losing, which is amazing in itself.


Although it probably helped that he was rampaging around an empire that was past it's prime. If I recall correctly, his biggest challenge on the battlefield was Memnon of Rhodes.
I wouldn't know. I can't say I know an incredible amount about his battlefield exploits. I do know though that the Phalanx was still a new concept, so the fact he used it so well meant none could really figure out how to beat it.


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He's only talked about for never losing, which is amazing in itself.


Although it probably helped that he was rampaging around an empire that was past it's prime. If I recall correctly, his biggest challenge on the battlefield was Memnon of Rhodes.
I wouldn't know. I can't say I know an incredible amount about his battlefield exploits. I do know though that the Phalanx was still a new concept, so the fact he used it so well meant none could really figure out how to beat it.

I think it was just the use of the sarissa pike in the phalanx that was new, since the phalanx was used in the the battles of Marathon and Thermopylae against the persians.


 
 
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Oh and one more thing, can anyone give me a brief overview of the DLC? The humble bundle came with all of the expansion packs included, so I have access to all of them. Should I still just play a grand campaign first? Does the DLC add anything to that general grand campaign, or are they completely separate? Should I play one of those instead?

Caesar in Gaul is pretty much what it says on the tin. You play as the Romans, or some of the Gallic factions, and there may be a Germanic one, the map is covers just France, I think.

Hannibal at the Gates is set in the early days of the Roman Empire. You can play as Rome, Carthage, and I think a coupe of Iberian factions. The map covers the Western half of the Mediterranean.

Wrath of Sparta is set during the Peloponnesian War. You can play as Sparta, Athens, Corinth, or the Boeotian League. The map covers Greece, some of the Balkans, some of the Black sea, and the Western tip of the Anatolian peninsula.

I think the rest are faction DLCs, which you can get a good idea of by looking at the grand campaign faction screen and through the custom battles faction unit rosters.


 
 
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I just play with the Radius mods...
does it actually improve anything or does it just make it really easy like the Radius mod for attila?


 
 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Sooo I'm already understanding the complaints about bugs. 5 minutes into the game (the prologue) and I run into a gamebreaking bug preventing me from finishing the mission and accessing the other parts of the tutorial. I defeat the men handling the siege engines, the objective gets checked off and then nothing. No new objective, no markers, no cutscene. I can't fight any other units or move anywhere new. Restarted the game and retried the entire mission only to run into the exact same bug again.

Wonderful.
That's strange, after the siege engines it told me to cross the river and attack.


 
 
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Oh and one more thing, can anyone give me a brief overview of the DLC? The humble bundle came with all of the expansion packs included, so I have access to all of them. Should I still just play a grand campaign first? Does the DLC add anything to that general grand campaign, or are they completely separate? Should I play one of those instead?

Caesar in Gaul is pretty much what it says on the tin. You play as the Romans, or some of the Gallic factions, and there may be a Germanic one, the map is covers just France, I think.

Hannibal at the Gates is set in the early days of the Roman Empire. You can play as Rome, Carthage, and I think a coupe of Iberian factions. The map covers the Western half of the Mediterranean.

Wrath of Sparta is set during the Peloponnesian War. You can play as Sparta, Athens, Corinth, or the Boeotian League. The map covers Greece, some of the Balkans, some of the Black sea, and the Western tip of the Anatolian peninsula.

I think the rest are faction DLCs, which you can get a good idea of by looking at the grand campaign faction screen and through the custom battles faction unit rosters.
Do any of these somehow tie into a grand campaign? As in, do these factions / maps / new units / buildings get added to the massive main map or are they completely stand-alone?

Also just realised that apparently the Hannibal one was not included in the Humble Bundle. Oh well.

I think some o them do, like the Hannibal one added a couple of Iberian factions to the Grand Campaign. I'm not so sure about the units, though it's a possibility.

However, I did forget one, which you probably should have gotten with the game, the Imperator Augustus campaign, which is set during Augustus's lifetime and you can play as one of four parts of the Roman Empire, or a couple other factions not yet a part of it. I think it's map is more or less the same as that of the Grand Campaign.


 
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I just play with the Radius mods...
does it actually improve anything or does it just make it really easy like the Radius mod for attila?
Time to uninstall that for Attila.