Forced Inclusivness in Games?

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I dont know if you have noticed lately, there are many characters out there that just seem to have a forced notion of "oh, btw im gay..."

Take The Division for example. At one moment during the story missions, the lady in the medicle wing just at random during a exposition conversation just happens to throw in that she has a "wife". It just seems like a forced, unneeded tid bit of information that holds no sway, or any resemblense of impact. Now I understand that The Division is not the best (or good) when it comes to story telling, but its not the only example. They pretty much sum themselves up to "hey, im gay. Why? *claps hands* Thats why!"

After recent events with people screaming for more LGBT type characters in their entertainment, it seems like its being slipped in as an after thought with no care, or nuance to make this a true trait of that character. Take The Last of Us for example

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In the left behind DLC, Ellie has a moment with her best friend. After we learn that she is leaving to join the Fire Flies, the pair start to dance on a glass table to some classics. After a minute, and with emotions riled up, Ellie softly says "Dont go." Which Riley then rips off her dog tags; signifying that she changed her mind. Which then urges Ellie to kiss her friend...

Now, I am no gay expert. But that was a DAMN effective moment. It introduced another side to a character that I though I knew pretty well. It sheds a new light on her personality and makes me understand her delimma at the end, and even in the main game even more.

Its moments like that when diversity is done right. So when ever I see a character casually toss his/her/both sexuality trading card on the table out of the blue. I cant help but want to smash my head against a refrigerator door a bit. If people are so gung ho to have a more diverse cast, why are they forcing notions of sexuality in a very contrived way?

It serves no purpose and works against what they're trying to accomplish. What do you think on the matter?


 
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We're undergoing an awkward transition period between having no LGBT representation, to having a lot of it--perhaps too much. We're still learning ways that we can effectively introduce a homosexual character without having it seem forced.

Keyword: "Learning." It's gonna get better with time, just like the awkward transition between 2D and 3D graphics did.

The best way for them to learn is to fuck up, so they can do better the next time. I wouldn't sweat it too much.
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We're getting there, where writers will eventually learn how to not make that a character's sole defining trait.

I mean really, everyone just has to look at Bioware and say "okay, let's write a person who has more depth than they did" and it's all good.


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It's a product of bad writers catching the wave more than it is problems with the trend itself. It's like in movies of modern conflicts, every Marine has to mention his little Billy back home being born or something cliche in order to try and give shallow characters depth. It's just another tool for lazy writers.


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From my experience with the dialogue in The Division's beta, their writing was terrible overall.


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Probably the dumbest thing about the walking dead (not a game but fuck it) is that there's like 10 people alive and 5 of them are gay

Like are gay people immune or something

Why not make one good gay couple that actually have character development and a story instead of a handful or shoehorned in gay-for-the-sake-of-being-gay couples


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Probably the dumbest thing about the walking dead (not a game but fuck it) is that there's like 10 people alive and 5 of them are gay

Like are gay people immune or something

Why not make one good gay couple that actually have character development and a story instead of a handful or shoehorned in gay-for-the-sake-of-being-gay couples
Do you even watch the show? There are way more than 10 people alive and the show has killed off gay characters before (one particular death caused a shitload of controversy). Also their sexuality is definitely not the defining point of their character...

If you're talking about the game, my point still stands.
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Probably the dumbest thing about the walking dead (not a game but fuck it) is that there's like 10 people alive and 5 of them are gay

Like are gay people immune or something

Why not make one good gay couple that actually have character development and a story instead of a handful or shoehorned in gay-for-the-sake-of-being-gay couples
Do you even watch the show? There are way more than 10 people alive and the show has killed off gay characters before (one particular death caused a shitload of controversy). Also their sexuality is definitely not the defining point of their character...

If you're talking about the game, my point still stands.
hyperbole and every gay character on the show is shit and only exists to say hey I'm gay look I have a girlfiend now *shot in face*


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Also the only reason any deaths on the walking dead have any controversy is when the comic book fucktards can't understand that the show doesn't have to be a 1:1 recreation of the book


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Probably the dumbest thing about the walking dead (not a game but fuck it) is that there's like 10 people alive and 5 of them are gay

Like are gay people immune or something

Why not make one good gay couple that actually have character development and a story instead of a handful or shoehorned in gay-for-the-sake-of-being-gay couples
Do you even watch the show? There are way more than 10 people alive and the show has killed off gay characters before (one particular death caused a shitload of controversy). Also their sexuality is definitely not the defining point of their character...

If you're talking about the game, my point still stands.
hyperbole and every gay character on the show is shit and only exists to say hey I'm gay look I have a girlfiend now *shot in face*
Not really. Characters like Aaron and Tara exist for different reasons than simply being gay characters. Denise even had a lot of purpose in her short time on the show.


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Also the only reason any deaths on the walking dead have any controversy is when the comic book fucktards can't understand that the show doesn't have to be a 1:1 recreation of the book
I was talking about controversy with the LGBT community. The death happened at a time when lots of LGBT characters were getting killed off, so TWD got swept up into it.


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Eh. The Division wasnt that bad with it. The doctor already had the defining trait of being a cunt before they threw in the gays.


 
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