Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 15, 2015, 08:07:49 PM>New Vegas devsYeah, I'm completely aware Obsidian developed NV. That doesn't provide any evidence as to how they developed or put in creative input into Fallout 1 or 2.The link I gave you had people who worked on a lot of stuff for Fallout 1 or 2. They had some input on some of the things going into the game such as the examples I brought up earlier. You can look it up by the power of google.
>New Vegas devsYeah, I'm completely aware Obsidian developed NV. That doesn't provide any evidence as to how they developed or put in creative input into Fallout 1 or 2.
Quote from: SuperIrish on March 15, 2015, 06:49:49 PMOh, and Little Lamplight. God I hate that place, full of fucking kids who evict everyone past 16 yet still exist after 200 years...I'd rather not dwell on that.They fuck when they are eight.
Oh, and Little Lamplight. God I hate that place, full of fucking kids who evict everyone past 16 yet still exist after 200 years...I'd rather not dwell on that.
New Vegas is better in every possible way
Quote from: The fuck? on March 15, 2015, 09:16:18 PMwho the fuck gives a shit about realism in video gamesit's a game about a fucking nuclear apocalypse with aliens and slingshot micro-nuke launchers.What is more jarring is the fact that 200 years after the war, DC is still such a shithole even though after 70 something years the west was 20x more civilized and was already rebuilding.ffs, some consistency would be nice.It's a shame Toodddddddd wanted to make the game HURRDURR S00PER SURVIVAL MANNNN instead of what the original games were.DC was still in ruins because it got hit by a truckload of nukes and the remnants of society are engaged in a ridiculous turf war instead of centralizing/consolidating governmental power.the Mojave and the area immediately around New Vegas didnt get hit as hard because of Mr House's laser defense system. in addition to that, Caesers Legion and the NCR were both making real strides towards centralized government- the NCR modeled off the old American Republic, the Legion modeled on imperial monarchy. those two (massive) governmental agencies (especially the NCR) ensured some degree of prosperity in the west. secure, these two agencies were engaged in a turf war too, but the difference between them and the Brotherhood/Enclave of DC was that the NCR/Legion were legitimate governmental agencies with massive landholdings, not a paramilitary organization or self-isolating group of technogeeks. on top of that, Mr House (and the Strip itself) encouraged commerce throughout the Mojave, improving the standards of life in the area by accident of industry. the DC wasteland had nothing the scale of New Vegas with which to encourage commerce.this was all explained in both games very clearly. how did you not understand?
who the fuck gives a shit about realism in video gamesit's a game about a fucking nuclear apocalypse with aliens and slingshot micro-nuke launchers.What is more jarring is the fact that 200 years after the war, DC is still such a shithole even though after 70 something years the west was 20x more civilized and was already rebuilding.ffs, some consistency would be nice.It's a shame Toodddddddd wanted to make the game HURRDURR S00PER SURVIVAL MANNNN instead of what the original games were.
Nobody gives a fuck about the first two games.
Quote from: BritishLemΓΆn on March 16, 2015, 09:57:45 AMQuote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:54:25 AMNobody gives a fuck about the first two games.You mean apart from the long time fans of the franchise?Nobody cares about those people either. Bethesda made a dead series actually worthwhile, and all you kids do is try to shit on them.
Quote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:54:25 AMNobody gives a fuck about the first two games.You mean apart from the long time fans of the franchise?
Quote from: The fuck? on March 16, 2015, 09:07:09 AM>Tfw everywhere got hit my a truckload of nukes, only Vegas' direct area was spared>Tfw only 70 years later people in the west are more civilized than DC 200 years later>Tfw the NCR wasn't even founded until 100 years after the war>Tfw House didn't appear until 200 years after the warNo, it still doesn't make sense. DC should have already had some sort of centralized government before having the motherfucking western factions come into the area roughly 40 years before 3 starts.Somebody hasn't played the first two games.Nobody gives a fuck about the first two games. It is supposed to be a post-apocalyptic atmosphere, Fallout 3 did it right.
>Tfw everywhere got hit my a truckload of nukes, only Vegas' direct area was spared>Tfw only 70 years later people in the west are more civilized than DC 200 years later>Tfw the NCR wasn't even founded until 100 years after the war>Tfw House didn't appear until 200 years after the warNo, it still doesn't make sense. DC should have already had some sort of centralized government before having the motherfucking western factions come into the area roughly 40 years before 3 starts.Somebody hasn't played the first two games.
Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 03:11:46 AMQuote from: The fuck? on March 15, 2015, 09:16:18 PMwho the fuck gives a shit about realism in video gamesit's a game about a fucking nuclear apocalypse with aliens and slingshot micro-nuke launchers.What is more jarring is the fact that 200 years after the war, DC is still such a shithole even though after 70 something years the west was 20x more civilized and was already rebuilding.ffs, some consistency would be nice.It's a shame Toodddddddd wanted to make the game HURRDURR S00PER SURVIVAL MANNNN instead of what the original games were.DC was still in ruins because it got hit by a truckload of nukes and the remnants of society are engaged in a ridiculous turf war instead of centralizing/consolidating governmental power.the Mojave and the area immediately around New Vegas didnt get hit as hard because of Mr House's laser defense system. in addition to that, Caesers Legion and the NCR were both making real strides towards centralized government- the NCR modeled off the old American Republic, the Legion modeled on imperial monarchy. those two (massive) governmental agencies (especially the NCR) ensured some degree of prosperity in the west. secure, these two agencies were engaged in a turf war too, but the difference between them and the Brotherhood/Enclave of DC was that the NCR/Legion were legitimate governmental agencies with massive landholdings, not a paramilitary organization or self-isolating group of technogeeks. on top of that, Mr House (and the Strip itself) encouraged commerce throughout the Mojave, improving the standards of life in the area by accident of industry. the DC wasteland had nothing the scale of New Vegas with which to encourage commerce.this was all explained in both games very clearly. how did you not understand?>Tfw everywhere got hit my a truckload of nukes, only Vegas' direct area was spared>Tfw only 70 years later people in the west are more civilized than DC 200 years later>Tfw the NCR wasn't even founded until 100 years after the war>Tfw House didn't appear until 200 years after the warNo, it still doesn't make sense. DC should have already had some sort of centralized government before having the motherfucking western factions come into the area roughly 40 years before 3 starts.Somebody hasn't played the first two games.
Quote from: TheUnwornUniform on March 16, 2015, 10:13:35 AMQuote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:59:36 AMQuote from: BritishLemΓΆn on March 16, 2015, 09:57:45 AMQuote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:54:25 AMNobody gives a fuck about the first two games.You mean apart from the long time fans of the franchise?Nobody cares about those people either. Bethesda made a dead series actually worthwhile, and all you kids do is try to shit on them.That's not exactly a fair view though. The first 2 games are fantastic in their own right. Just because the way old fans treat the franchise like shit now doesn't mean you have to shit on the old games. Without the original 2 games we wouldn't have Fallout 3 & New Vegas to begin with.I do not shit on the old games, I shit on the old "fans" who act like dipshits about everything. Bethesda has done an amazing job with Fallout.
Quote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:59:36 AMQuote from: BritishLemΓΆn on March 16, 2015, 09:57:45 AMQuote from: NoΓ«lle on March 16, 2015, 09:54:25 AMNobody gives a fuck about the first two games.You mean apart from the long time fans of the franchise?Nobody cares about those people either. Bethesda made a dead series actually worthwhile, and all you kids do is try to shit on them.That's not exactly a fair view though. The first 2 games are fantastic in their own right. Just because the way old fans treat the franchise like shit now doesn't mean you have to shit on the old games. Without the original 2 games we wouldn't have Fallout 3 & New Vegas to begin with.
what does the NCR's late birth have to do with anything? at the end of the day, they are still the most stable governmental body in the "nation."
House "didnt appear until 200 years after the war" because the Platinum Chip couldnt be delivered on time (because of the Great War) and his OS crashed. He was only able to reboot permanently in 2138, and he took some time to formulate his plan to consolidate power in the Mojave, which isnt outlandish to consider.
DC did have some form of centralized government.... the Enclave and, to a lesser extend, the Brotherhood. Except, as I explained earlier, they were too caught up in petty bullshit and sectional tensions to consolidate power in any meaningful way. which makes complete sense, considering the actual history of politics in that region (perhaps a historical analogue in a video game? LE GASP)
Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AMwhat does the NCR's late birth have to do with anything? at the end of the day, they are still the most stable governmental body in the "nation."That the west was very civilized sixty years BEFORE the NCR showed up.How long did it take DC to be civilized...Oh wait, it's still a shithole for no good reason.Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AM House "didnt appear until 200 years after the war" because the Platinum Chip couldnt be delivered on time (because of the Great War) and his OS crashed. He was only able to reboot permanently in 2138, and he took some time to formulate his plan to consolidate power in the Mojave, which isnt outlandish to consider. Yes, yes. I'm glad you agree with me that House had nothing to do with the West being much more civilized 70 years after the war than DC was 200 years after the war.Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AMDC did have some form of centralized government.... the Enclave and, to a lesser extend, the Brotherhood. Except, as I explained earlier, they were too caught up in petty bullshit and sectional tensions to consolidate power in any meaningful way. which makes complete sense, considering the actual history of politics in that region (perhaps a historical analogue in a video game? LE GASP)Yes, exactly. The Enclave didn't do shit for DC (because their bad guys), and the Brotherhood only showed up from the west 160 years after the war. Even then the Brotherhood didn't do much to help civilize DC until 200 years after the war.It still doesn't explain why DC didn't turn from anarchy in anywhere near the time it took for the west.
Quote from: The fuck? on March 16, 2015, 10:41:57 AMQuote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AMwhat does the NCR's late birth have to do with anything? at the end of the day, they are still the most stable governmental body in the "nation."That the west was very civilized sixty years BEFORE the NCR showed up.How long did it take DC to be civilized...Oh wait, it's still a shithole for no good reason.Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AM House "didnt appear until 200 years after the war" because the Platinum Chip couldnt be delivered on time (because of the Great War) and his OS crashed. He was only able to reboot permanently in 2138, and he took some time to formulate his plan to consolidate power in the Mojave, which isnt outlandish to consider. Yes, yes. I'm glad you agree with me that House had nothing to do with the West being much more civilized 70 years after the war than DC was 200 years after the war.Quote from: Azumarill on March 16, 2015, 10:26:49 AMDC did have some form of centralized government.... the Enclave and, to a lesser extend, the Brotherhood. Except, as I explained earlier, they were too caught up in petty bullshit and sectional tensions to consolidate power in any meaningful way. which makes complete sense, considering the actual history of politics in that region (perhaps a historical analogue in a video game? LE GASP)Yes, exactly. The Enclave didn't do shit for DC (because their bad guys), and the Brotherhood only showed up from the west 160 years after the war. Even then the Brotherhood didn't do much to help civilize DC until 200 years after the war.It still doesn't explain why DC didn't turn from anarchy in anywhere near the time it took for the west.ok you're arguing in circles now, its pretty obvious that you cant be convinced, so im done. good job. you baffled me into submission
I have to say i enjoy Fallout 3 more than Fallout NV even tho fallout NV does have better story and have what a fallout game need but something about Fallout 3 i really enjoy more about
Yes, exactly. The Enclave didn't do shit for DC (because their bad guys), and the Brotherhood only showed up from the west 160 years after the war. Even then the Brotherhood didn't do much to help civilize DC until 200 years after the war.It still doesn't explain why DC didn't turn from anarchy in anywhere near the time it took for the west.
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