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I want a female-centered game by Kojima minus the misogynistic-tendencies

but I don't want it to be about the boss like many people do
I mean, a Boss game could be cool, but it would demystify her, and I don't want that.

yeah

it would only push the "boss" figurehead further back in time

we'd get a character called "The Employer" who was The Boss's mentor

he fought in the First world war

and years later we'd want a game about him


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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.


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She has a machine gun leg. Yes, she's voiced by Rose McGowan.


 
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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.

i think that's a bit of a stretch tbh


 
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i have a better proposition

what if venom snake refers to the emotion that snake carries into battle?

in mgs3, the boss mentions that snake hasn't got an emotion to carry into battle with him

could "vengeance" or "venom" be his emotion? Could he be known as "The Venom" by some?

Food for thought


 
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No more of a stretch than "The End" really


 
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Super secret 4 child of the Les Enfants Terribles. A chick (don't ask how, not important) with the perfect balance of BB's genes.

She has a machine gun leg. Yes, she's voiced by Rose McGowan.

wtf are you going to start mgs2


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Super secret 4 child of the Les Enfants Terribles. A chick (don't ask how, not important) with the perfect balance of BB's genes.

She has a machine gun leg. Yes, she's voiced by Rose McGowan.

wtf are you going to start mgs2
I have.


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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.

i think that's a bit of a stretch tbh

But.

They're intentionally recycled characters in MGS2.

Except Raiden and Meryl have different genitalia, and Olga has tits while Snake doesn't.


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You guys do know Liquid had the dominant genes, right?

Ocelot confirmed it in the epilogue.

Oh my god no

at least this will have some relevance, eh Plotmaster?
I forgot this quote.

Was Ocelot fucking around or what? Cuz he DID say that in the epilogue.

Also don't get that link joke :<


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You guys do know Liquid had the dominant genes, right?

Ocelot confirmed it in the epilogue.

Oh my god no

at least this will have some relevance, eh Plotmaster?
I forgot this quote.

Was Ocelot fucking around or what? Cuz he DID say that in the epilogue.

Also don't get that link joke :<

I thought he did too, but turns out all he said was that the inferior brother (Solid) was the winner in the end. He didn't say anything about dominant or recessive genes.


 
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Oh you're right. I guess I confused inferior with recessive.

But why is Solid inferior then?


 
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Super secret 4 child of the Les Enfants Terribles. A chick (don't ask how, not important) with the perfect balance of BB's genes.

She has a machine gun leg. Yes, she's voiced by Rose McGowan.

wtf are you going to start mgs2
I have.

what part are you at


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Except Raiden and Meryl have different genitalia
Not anymore. Raiden can have whichever he wants.

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Oh you're right. I guess I confused inferior with recessive.

But why is Solid inferior then?

presumably because his genes were less efficient


 
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Raiden as a girl

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Super secret 4 child of the Les Enfants Terribles. A chick (don't ask how, not important) with the perfect balance of BB's genes.

She has a machine gun leg. Yes, she's voiced by Rose McGowan.

wtf are you going to start mgs2
I have.

what part are you at
The last thing I did was head to strut D to disable bomb 4.


 
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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.

i think that's a bit of a stretch tbh

But.

They're intentionally recycled characters in MGS2.

Except Raiden and Meryl have different genitalia, and Olga has tits while Snake doesn't.

olga is a fox reskin

raiden was never alluded to being a meryl reskin


 
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You guys do know Liquid had the dominant genes, right?

Ocelot confirmed it in the epilogue.

Oh my god no

at least this will have some relevance, eh Plotmaster?
I forgot this quote.

Was Ocelot fucking around or what? Cuz he DID say that in the epilogue.

Also don't get that link joke :<

what joke


 
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don't act like that wouldn't be an improvement from halo


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Recessive =/= inferior
Dominant =/= superior

Vice versa


 
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I didn't understand the relevance part.

And if Solid had the dominant genes, why would he be less efficient?


 
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I didn't understand the relevance part.

And if Solid had the dominant genes, why would he be less efficient?

the dominant genes just happened to be less efficient at being a soldier i guess


and what relevance part? what joke?


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Solid got the dominant 'civilian genes' while Liquid got the recessive 'soldier genes'.

Nah, I'm just bullshitting. There's really no stated reason how Solid is inferior, and the entire plot point got dropped by the time Sons of Liberty rolled around.


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don't act like that wouldn't be an improvement from halo
yeah, there'd be less arguing over stuff that doesn't matter


 
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Nah, I'm just bullshitting. There's really no stated reason how Solid is inferior, and the entire plot point got dropped by the time Sons of Liberty rolled around.

presumably things like 20/20 vision, predisposition to physical attributes like agility and strength, instincts and stuff could make one superior to the other

fortunately that doesn't matter


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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.

i think that's a bit of a stretch tbh

But.

They're intentionally recycled characters in MGS2.

Except Raiden and Meryl have different genitalia, and Olga has tits while Snake doesn't.

olga is a fox reskin

raiden was never alluded to being a meryl reskin

Solidus was never alluded to being a Liquid reskin, but he was.

In terms of personality and role in the plot, Raiden = Meryl, and Olga = Snake...and Fox too I guess.


 
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I just realized Raiden was a genderswapped Meryl while Olga was a genderswapped Snake.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that.

how do you mean

In MGS1 Meryl was the rookie in way over her head, who needed Snake to bail her out whenever she stumbled blindly into danger, and she had no personal reason to be on Shadow Moses aside from it being a mission...just like Raiden.

In MGS2 Olga was a cynical, unshaven badass who growled out one-liners and was far more competent than Raiden as well as she had a much more personal reason to be on the Big Shell...just like Snake.

i think that's a bit of a stretch tbh

But.

They're intentionally recycled characters in MGS2.

Except Raiden and Meryl have different genitalia, and Olga has tits while Snake doesn't.

olga is a fox reskin

raiden was never alluded to being a meryl reskin

Solidus was never alluded to being a Liquid reskin, but he was.

sure he was

the ai campbell literally said that the big shell incident was supposed to mirror shadow moses

logically that would imply that raiden = solid and the leader of the opposition would = liquid

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In terms of personality and role in the plot, Raiden = Meryl, and Olga = Snake...and Fox too I guess.

i suppose but that's still a stretch imo


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