Dark Souls Impressions Thread - Update #25.5: ...Consider giving up, skeleton.

 
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And it's not a flaw. Just because it's some design you don't enjoy, doesn't make it a flaw. It's called a risk reward factor, and everyone who actually plays the game enjoys that.
It's a flaw. There's no logical reason to enjoy something like that. It's textbook bad game design.
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No, it's something I highly recommend doing. As in, you probably won't beat the game otherwise. If you wanna complain about it taht much as if you're making some statement, just kill yourself right after you upgrade it to go hollow again. Just make sure to pick up your stuff, but you only need to use one to upgrade, so the only thing you'd lose is souls (if you dont buy/level up).
Nope, I'm going full Hollow. There's absolutely no reason I should have to risk getting invaded just to play the game.
Just to play the game

I don't think you even understand how invading even works.

But whatever, be hard headed. I'm not gonna argue something you'll hear none of.


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See you Cowgirl,
Someday, somewhere
I won't bother.

The fact that none of that stuff is available as Hollow is a game flaw that I will be taking note of. That's bad design.
It's only bad design if you suck at the game.


 
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I don't think you even understand how invading even works.
To my understanding, you can't get invaded (by humans, which is all that matters to me) if you play offline/go Hollow. If you're human, you open the doors for a bunch of fuckheads invading your game without you asking for it. Which is a crippling game flaw.

Besides--you TOLD ME that I could play the entire game Hollow, and it wouldn't make a difference. So, thanks for lying.


 
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I won't bother.

The fact that none of that stuff is available as Hollow is a game flaw that I will be taking note of. That's bad design.
It's only bad design if you suck at the game.
Except that doesn't make any sense. Even if I were the greatest Dark Souls player ever, I would still consider that shit design.

No player should ever be able to join your game without your permission. Ever.

That has absolutely nothing to do with player skill. It's about ethics.

This is why Dark Souls fans are so toxic and cancerous--any criticism at all is just met with the slack-jawed response of "get good," even if it doesn't even remotely apply to the criticism at hand.
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i think it tells you if you get invaded, like i said, youll be playing in NG, no one, to my knowledge, would even invade at your level because its simply not worth it or no fun. invading is also a bit complex, needing some requirements and whatnot.


 
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i think it tells you if you get invaded, like i said, youll be playing in NG, no one, to my knowledge, would even invade at your level because its simply not worth it or no fun. invading is also a bit complex, needing some requirements and whatnot.
I don't want it to just "tell" me if I get invaded. I want to be able to boot them the fuck out if I don't WANT to get invaded.

Because absolutely nobody has permission to invade me.

If you want to duel me, message me and ask me first. That's how it should work.

The fact that it doesn't work like that is unacceptable, so yeah, full Hollow for me.


 
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Everybody dies at the Asylum Demon their first time. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar; it's a rite of passage.

I didn't.

Just because you couldn't beat him on your first try doesn't mean others couldn't.

You probably picked black firebombs as your starting gift you casual scum.


 
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Besides--you TOLD ME that I could play the entire game Hollow, and it wouldn't make a difference. So, thanks for lying.
I'm sorry I forgot a very subtle mechanic in a game I've not played in a few years until I broke it down and looked it up in a post.

Forgive me for lying.


 
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I won't bother.

The fact that none of that stuff is available as Hollow is a game flaw that I will be taking note of. That's bad design.
It's only bad design if you suck at the game.
That's never a good rebuttal, especially with something like Souls.


 
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The joke is on anybody who invades my worlds.

I live for setting traps and being a cheeky cunt to any red scum who come for a visit. Oh no my friend, I'm not locked into the area behind a fog wall and a bonfire that's gone out. They're locked in with me.


 
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i think it tells you if you get invaded, like i said, youll be playing in NG, no one, to my knowledge, would even invade at your level because its simply not worth it or no fun. invading is also a bit complex, needing some requirements and whatnot.
I don't want it to just "tell" me if I get invaded. I want to be able to boot them the fuck out if I don't WANT to get invaded.

Because absolutely nobody has permission to invade me.

If you want to duel me, message me and ask me first. That's how it should work.

The fact that it doesn't work like that is unacceptable, so yeah, full Hollow for me.
It is consent since you start off as a hollow and are offered to go human at the risk/reward of a few benefits. Otherwise you can stay hollow, exactly how you start the game. It honestly doesn't matter in the end. Even if you were human, odds are you would very rarely get invaded.


 
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i think it tells you if you get invaded, like i said, youll be playing in NG, no one, to my knowledge, would even invade at your level because its simply not worth it or no fun. invading is also a bit complex, needing some requirements and whatnot.
I don't want it to just "tell" me if I get invaded. I want to be able to boot them the fuck out if I don't WANT to get invaded.

Because absolutely nobody has permission to invade me.

If you want to duel me, message me and ask me first. That's how it should work.

The fact that it doesn't work like that is unacceptable, so yeah, full Hollow for me.
It is consent since you start off as a hollow and are offered to go human at the risk/reward of a few benefits. Otherwise you can stay hollow, exactly how you start the game. It honestly doesn't matter in the end. Even if you were human, odds are you would very rarely get invaded.

Also!

Certain covenants in the game decrease invasion activity so less invaders are able to make it through to your world.


 
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ok stop fucking quoting me you cunts


 
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Also!

Certain covenants in the game decrease invasion activity so less invaders are able to make it through to your world.
Or one that summons help when you're invaded

but I know none of this will matter to Verb.

In fact this whole argument is pointless. I'll just let him play the game first and either like/hate it more before we dive into a mechanic to a game he's barely touched.


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Also!

Certain covenants in the game decrease invasion activity so less invaders are able to make it through to your world.
Or one that summons help when you're invaded

but I know none of this will matter to Verb.

In fact this whole argument is pointless. I'll just let him play the game first and either like/hate it more before we dive into a mechanic to a game he's barely touched.

The only real thing that matters is whether or not verb ever touches fluffy tail.


 
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I'm sorry I forgot a very subtle mechanic in a game I've not played in a few years until I broke it down and looked it up in a post.

Forgive me for lying.
Well, first you told me I could play the whole game Hollow, and now you just told me that I'm going to have trouble beating the game if I don't ever go human. So it can't have been that subtle. I mean, not being able to beat the game because of it seems like a pretty big flashing red caveat to me.

It is consent since you start off as a hollow and are offered to go human at the risk/reward of a few benefits. Otherwise you can stay hollow, exactly how you start the game. It honestly doesn't matter in the end. Even if you were human, odds are you would very rarely get invaded.
That's half-assed consent. Not good enough for me. It should work exactly as I described--a system where you send an invite or a request for a duel that you can either accept or decline.

"But that defeats the purpose of invasions!"

Good.

And no, I really don't give a shit how rarely you get invaded these days.


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Also!

Certain covenants in the game decrease invasion activity so less invaders are able to make it through to your world.
Or one that summons help when you're invaded

but I know none of this will matter to Verb.
Correct.

Okay, I'll start playing after I eat supper.

No, really. Stop. It's annoying and spammy as fuck.


 
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Well, first you told me I could play the whole game Hollow, and now you just told me that I'm going to have trouble beating the game if I don't ever go human. So it can't have been that subtle. I mean, not being able to beat the game because of it seems like a pretty big flashing red caveat to me.
You don't have to, but only using 5 estus in long runs is going to be nigh impossible for someone who's going first time through. It is subtle how the mechanic works, because I completely forgot how you even upgraded bonfires in DS1, seeing as how DS2, and Bloodborne do two completely different things. It's a game I've not played in a long time, so sorry?


 
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Anyway. I'm done arguing about something this pointless. I will once you actually have a better understanding of everything, rather than repeating the same argument 5 times over.


 
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If I had a piss station I'd stalk Verb and make a low level build just to invade him.

Then leave gear and other presents everywhere and quietly make an exit using the handy old black separation crystal or just Mc murdering myself.

Then I could say that Verb doesn't consent to santa claus giving him nice things.



 
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You don't have to, but only using 5 estus in long runs is going to be nigh impossible for someone who's going first time through.
You underestimate my power.™


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That has absolutely nothing to do with player skill. It's about ethics.
Jesus god dang tapdancing Christ


 
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Yeah. Who says Verb can't just be a religious nutjob and cast heal spells all day?


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Stopped reading when I saw the profanity. That's just total smut. Where's your "class"?


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Honestly just don't play the game.

Don't even bother.


 
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Honestly just don't play the game.

Don't even bother.

But I wanna hear the stories.

Like if he takes a wrong turn at the skeletons.