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Oh ya, Verb. There's been a lot of discussion about pvp, but I feel like everybody forgot about the most underrated covenant in the game.

The Gravelord Covenant.

This covenant works a little differently. Rather than have you invade a players world, you, as a gravelord, curse three player's worlds at the same time. Now, what this does, is spawn a few black phantom enemies. These are enemies that are drastically tougher than the normal enemies in the area.

So you, as the player, have to go and find the gravelord sigil on the ground as it shifts and moves around the area with the player who cursed you. The person who cursed you is boxed into a certain area and can't fast travel and just leave you cursed for all eternity.

When you find the sigil, you can invade the gravelord's world and kill him to remove the curse. The kind of neat spin on this, is that the three cursed people can invade the gravelord's world together and royally fuck his shit up.

Personally, I always liked this covenant above all others, because it kept me on my toes if I was ever cursed, and when I invaded the gravelords world and on the occasion, happened to die, I lost nothing for it and gained more for killing the black phantom enemies and the gravelord himself.

You might not like the idea of it because consent and all that, but I always liked it more over invading a player's world and flat out giving them no chance.



 
 
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Level: 3 (why do they start you off at different levels depending on the class?...)
Just to respond to some of your questions:

- different classes have different stats because it makes sense. A barbarian or knight relying on pure physical damage and high defence will have more HP, stamina, endurance and such than a sorcerer or cleric who will have lower physical attributes but higher base stats for things like faith and magic. You can turn any class into any sort of build during the game, but some are just naturally more prone to certain playstyles than others. Makes perfect sense to me and allows people to build very specific builds from the onset without having to waste too many levels on skills they don't want.

- attunement affects the number of magic slots you have. Each spell takes up one or more slots. For example, the fireball spell will give you 8 fireballs to throw (which recharges at a bonfire). The spell takes up one slot. At the start, you'll only have one slot so the fireball spell will be the only one you can use at the same time. Leveling up your attunement will give you more slots to assign and carry more spells.

- dexterity is the skill that affects your skill with generally lighter and faster weapons and speeds up your casting time of spells. The opposite is the strength skill, which improves your handling of heavy weapons. Each weapon has "scaling" attributes which show what skills affect it the most. For example, the scimitar (your starting weapon with the wanderer) has an E scaling in strength and a B in dexterity (scale goes from E-D-C-B-A-S), meaning that a higher dexterity will make it do more damage.

- endurance affects your equipment burden (the higher this is, the more you can carry without becoming slower) and your stamina (the green bar that runs out when you attack, sprint or dodge). Higher endurance = more stamina and higher carry limit. Resistance is generally considered the most useless skill in the game, it just boosts your physical/fire/poison defense by small amounts.

- intelligence affects your magic. There's three kinds of "magics" in the game. Faith affects miracles, intelligence affects spells and then there's pyromancies. Higher faith lets you use stronger spells and deal more damage with magic and magic based weapons.

- humanity gives you slightly more defense and boosts your item discovery rate (the more loot you get). You raise it
by using humanities, it's not a set skill that you level up.

- asylum demon does not have a name.

Oh and pro tip: press the back (or select) button when in the menus. It'll let you see what each skill or particular icon does, like all skills and scaling.

Not gonna respond to other parts or give you any other advice unless you specifically ask. I'm assuming that's what you want and I hope no one else will spoil things or give you unwanted hints.
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Don't worry about having a "class" like other RPGs. You can upgrade everything to the max.

It'll take a while not playing PvP though. Killing a few dudes that get you a million Souls to level up with really speeds things up.


 
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Don't worry about having a "class" like other RPGs. You can upgrade everything to the max.

It'll take a while not playing PvP though. Killing a few dudes that get you a million Souls to level up with really speeds things up.

Good thinking. I forgot about that. If Verb doesn't want no pvp shenanigans then all he has to do is get past the level 120 range and he should be set. 120 was the optimal pvp level agreed on by the community.

I went to 140 on one of my characters and never saw another player again.


 
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Glad you're at least getting some enjoyment more.

I hope you know how to get your estus flask. You got it, right?


 
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Don't worry about having a "class" like other RPGs. You can upgrade everything to the max.

It'll take a while not playing PvP though. Killing a few dudes that get you a million Souls to level up with really speeds things up.

Good thinking. I forgot about that. If Verb doesn't want no pvp shenanigans then all he has to do is get past the level 120 range and he should be set. 120 was the optimal pvp level agreed on by the community.

I went to 140 on one of my characters and never saw another player again.
I'm level 325 I think and I constantly get invaded in the Forest. I haven't tried invading myself though.


 
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- different classes have different stats because it makes sense.
Not really what I was asking. Different stats makes sense, absolutely--but they're also all different levels. That would be like if in Pokémon, Charmander was automatically level 6, Squirtle was level 5, and Bulbasaur was level 4--it's just kinda weird. It feels like I'm already putting myself at a disadvantage, simply by having a character at a lower level than the rest--but I chose him simply because I like his class description and stats more so than the others. Eh.

Basically, I'm just confused as to why all the classes don't start out at the same level. That's all I meant.
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- dexterity is the skill that affects your skill with generally lighter and faster weapons and speeds up your casting time of spells. The opposite is the strength skill, which improves your handling of heavy weapons. Each weapon has "scaling" attributes which show what skills affect it the most. For example, the scimitar (your starting weapon with the wanderer) has an E scaling in strength and a B in dexterity (scale goes from E-D-C-B-A-S), meaning that a higher dexterity will make it do more damage.
Ah, I see now. Cool.

Sounds like I made the "right" choice for me, then--I do prefer lighter, faster weapons overall. It suits me/what I like.
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- asylum demon does not have a name.
That's a shame.

I'll name it Luci.
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Oh and pro tip: press the back (or select) button when in the menus. It'll let you see what each skill or particular icon does, like all skills and scaling.
Neat. When I leveled up at the bonfire, the first stat I rose was vitality--because I figure I'm gonna need all the health I can get, right? Or maybe that's a lost cause, and I should focus on the stats that are already high, Pokémon-style. Hmmm.

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Not gonna respond to other parts or give you any other advice unless you specifically ask. I'm assuming that's what you want and I hope no one else will spoil things or give you unwanted hints.
Thank you very much.


 
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You'll need health.

And weapon wise, upgrade Dexterity more than Strength if you want to use smaller and faster weapons, other way around if you want to use Claymores etc.


 
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Glad you're at least getting some enjoyment more.

I hope you know how to get your estus flask. You got it, right?
Yeah, of course. I mentioned not having to use it when I fought Luci ;)

I don't think I got it last time, because I don't at all remember the dude who gives it to you. He has a good voice actor.


 
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You'll need health.

And weapon wise, upgrade Dexterity more than Strength if you want to use smaller and faster weapons, other way around if you want to use Claymores etc.
How high do the stats go? You mentioned you were level 325--that's really high.


 
 
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You'll need health.

And weapon wise, upgrade Dexterity more than Strength if you want to use smaller and faster weapons, other way around if you want to use Claymores etc.
How high do the stats go? You mentioned you were level 325--that's really high.
You definitely want to level up vitality. Veteran players often just go full damage output first and then level out the other ones, but you'll want all the vitality you can get.

And individual stats go up to level 99. The max total level (all stats combined) is just over 700, but there's virtually no way you'll reach that without massive farming. People often finish the game before they hit level 100. For individual stats though, they almost all have a soft cap, meaning that after a certain level you'll suffer from high diminished returns. The "max" soft cap level is usually around 40 for most skills.
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You'll need health.

And weapon wise, upgrade Dexterity more than Strength if you want to use smaller and faster weapons, other way around if you want to use Claymores etc.
How high do the stats go? You mentioned you were level 325--that's really high.
They can all go up to 99


 
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Like Flee said, past 40 there isn't much progress apart from Vitality and Endurance, which is Health and Stamina, respectively. Endurance also increases the amount of armor you can wear and still moving and rolling quickly. I can wear pretty heavy armor and carry the Claymore and still move and roll as if I have no armor on.

So keep that in mind.


 
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Glad you're at least getting some enjoyment more.

I hope you know how to get your estus flask. You got it, right?
Yeah, of course. I mentioned not having to use it when I fought Luci ;)

I don't think I got it last time, because I don't at all remember the dude who gives it to you. He has a good voice actor.
Yeah, voice acting in Souls series is good. They match the tone insanely well.


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Glad you're at least getting some enjoyment more.

I hope you know how to get your estus flask. You got it, right?
Yeah, of course. I mentioned not having to use it when I fought Luci ;)

I don't think I got it last time, because I don't at all remember the dude who gives it to you. He has a good voice actor.
Yeah, voice acting in Souls series is good. They match the tone insanely well.

If only they balanced the audio so you could actually hear what most people say. BB in particularly drowns out its dialog in other sound effects.


 
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If only they balanced the audio so you could actually hear what most people say. BB in particularly drowns out its dialog in other sound effects.
I think it's fine. You can also balance the audio levels yourself, if you need to.


 
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- asylum demon does not have a name.
That's a shame.

I'll name it Luci.


 
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How does saving work, exactly? I know it auto-saves, but like... when? I'm always afraid to quit the game.


 
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How does saving work, exactly? I know it auto-saves, but like... when? I'm always afraid to quit the game.
All the time. It saves where you stop playing.


 
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It auto saves basically after every action you do. And most importantly when you quit the game through the menus it autosaves then and there as well.

I actually have to hand it to From in that regard. If your game unexpectedly crashes for whatever reason, you'll lose very little progress unless you where fighting a boss. Like we're talking seconds. Open a door, game crashes.

Load up the game, you're sitting front of the door a few seconds before you open it. They do stellar work in that department, at least. I don't know of any other games out there that can save so often without significantly impeding your progress in-game with a wait time.


 
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Don't worry about having a "class" like other RPGs. You can upgrade everything to the max.

It'll take a while not playing PvP though. Killing a few dudes that get you a million Souls to level up with really speeds things up.

Good thinking. I forgot about that. If Verb doesn't want no pvp shenanigans then all he has to do is get past the level 120 range and he should be set. 120 was the optimal pvp level agreed on by the community.

I went to 140 on one of my characters and never saw another player again.
I'm level 325 I think and I constantly get invaded in the Forest. I haven't tried invading myself though.

That's the forest m8. It's a well known fact that no matter what level you are in there it's going to suck balls.


 
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when you want to quit the game, then you quit via the menu


 
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How does saving work, exactly? I know it auto-saves, but like... when? I'm always afraid to quit the game.
All the time. It saves where you stop playing.
All right, cool.

It auto saves basically after every action you do. And most importantly when you quit the game through the menus it autosaves then and there as well.

I actually have to hand it to From in that regard. If your game unexpectedly crashes for whatever reason, you'll lose very little progress unless you where fighting a boss. Like we're talking seconds. Open a door, game crashes.

Load up the game, you're sitting front of the door a few seconds before you open it. They do stellar work in that department, at least. I don't know of any other games out there that can save so often without significantly impeding your progress in-game with a wait time.
...I can actually see this backfiring, though. Suppose I quit the game when I'm in a pinch. The game auto-saves.

Am I basically trapped in this pinch now? What do I do then? Am I just fucked?


 
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when you want to quit the game, then you quit via the menu
Yeah, I got that much. Just wasn't sure how often the game auto-saves.


 
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don't do what I did and ragequit the game by shutting off your console whenever you get destroyed by bullshit bosses


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It auto saves basically after every action you do. And most importantly when you quit the game through the menus it autosaves then and there as well.

I actually have to hand it to From in that regard. If your game unexpectedly crashes for whatever reason, you'll lose very little progress unless you where fighting a boss. Like we're talking seconds. Open a door, game crashes.

Load up the game, you're sitting front of the door a few seconds before you open it. They do stellar work in that department, at least. I don't know of any other games out there that can save so often without significantly impeding your progress in-game with a wait time.

Another benefit of constant autosaving is that it's pretty much impossible to save-scum.


 
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How does saving work, exactly? I know it auto-saves, but like... when? I'm always afraid to quit the game.
All the time. It saves where you stop playing.
All right, cool.

It auto saves basically after every action you do. And most importantly when you quit the game through the menus it autosaves then and there as well.

I actually have to hand it to From in that regard. If your game unexpectedly crashes for whatever reason, you'll lose very little progress unless you where fighting a boss. Like we're talking seconds. Open a door, game crashes.

Load up the game, you're sitting front of the door a few seconds before you open it. They do stellar work in that department, at least. I don't know of any other games out there that can save so often without significantly impeding your progress in-game with a wait time.
...I can actually see this backfiring, though. Suppose I quit the game when I'm in a pinch. The game auto-saves.

Am I basically trapped in this pinch now? What do I do then? Am I just fucked?

Not quite. I've done this before, since you bring it up. I was in the middle of fighting enemies when my power went out. I loaded up the game with less than three quarters of my health left because the fight was going badly.

I didn't spawn in the middle of fighting the enemy, but I spawned close to them and had a few key seconds of reaction time on their part to realize I was there, and on my own, to just cheese it the fuck out of there.

Then again, remember here verb. You'll likely die in this game. If you're ever in a situation where you're in trouble or stuck in a pinch, there's a magic five letter word that will save you.

Death.


 
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It auto saves basically after every action you do. And most importantly when you quit the game through the menus it autosaves then and there as well.

I actually have to hand it to From in that regard. If your game unexpectedly crashes for whatever reason, you'll lose very little progress unless you where fighting a boss. Like we're talking seconds. Open a door, game crashes.

Load up the game, you're sitting front of the door a few seconds before you open it. They do stellar work in that department, at least. I don't know of any other games out there that can save so often without significantly impeding your progress in-game with a wait time.

Another benefit of constant autosaving is that it's pretty much impossible to save-scum.
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Don't worry about having a "class" like other RPGs. You can upgrade everything to the max.

It'll take a while not playing PvP though. Killing a few dudes that get you a million Souls to level up with really speeds things up.

Good thinking. I forgot about that. If Verb doesn't want no pvp shenanigans then all he has to do is get past the level 120 range and he should be set. 120 was the optimal pvp level agreed on by the community.

I went to 140 on one of my characters and never saw another player again.
I'm level 325 I think and I constantly get invaded in the Forest. I haven't tried invading myself though.

That's the forest m8. It's a well known fact that no matter what level you are in there it's going to suck balls.
The Forest is great, is my point. It's always active.


 
 
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Am I basically trapped in this pinch now? What do I do then? Am I just fucked?
The game saves continuously. It's very well done, actually. You always only have one save file per character and it saves constantly and especially every time you quit out. This means that you can't save and then do whatever you want, knowing that you'll just be able to load an earlier state.

So there really is no "saving in a bad spot". There's only getting yourself in a bad spot, as there's no way to even load a save earlier than what you were at the very last second of playing. What happens in such a scenario is that you will probably die. And you will respawn at the bonfire, where the game will instantly save again. You'll get to go back to where you died to reclaim your souls. The game just continues.

Like I said before, pretty much everything you do carries some weight in this game.