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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
Actually, if you (or somebody) could just give me a list of every boss in the game--or just the ones that are necessary to beat the game--just to give me a sense of progression, that could be helpful.

Unless you feel like it could be too spoiler-y, like if a boss's name has plot significance for a twist or... something.

* = optional

After the first third of the game you can tackle each area in any order you want, with a couple exceptions.
There's a lot more optional bosses than just those, btw.

Those are all the bosses in the base game, with a couple mini-bosses thrown in. There aren't any other actual bosses.
I mean that your assessment of what bosses are optional or not is a bit off. Taurus, Capra, Gaping Dragon, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede are all entirely optional and legitimately skippable. Pinwheel is too, but he requires a bug to avoid so I'm not including him.
I'm surprised the souls community still considers Pinwheel a boss five years later.


 
 
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Actually, if you (or somebody) could just give me a list of every boss in the game--or just the ones that are necessary to beat the game--just to give me a sense of progression, that could be helpful.

Unless you feel like it could be too spoiler-y, like if a boss's name has plot significance for a twist or... something.

* = optional

After the first third of the game you can tackle each area in any order you want, with a couple exceptions.
There's a lot more optional bosses than just those, btw.

Those are all the bosses in the base game, with a couple mini-bosses thrown in. There aren't any other actual bosses.
I mean that your assessment of what bosses are optional or not is a bit off. Taurus, Capra, Gaping Dragon, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede are all entirely optional and legitimately skippable. Pinwheel is too, but he requires a bug to avoid so I'm not including him.

How are Taurus, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede optional?

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I thought you had to kill Ceaseless to lower the lava, then kill the Centipede to get the ring to cross lava
Spoilers for Verb, don't open.

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Taurus can be skipped by simply taking the long way around. Using the Master Key you can take the elevator at Firelink down to New Londo, open the gate, run through the Valley of Drakes and backtrack through Darkroot to get to Andre and the Gargoyles. No need to ever go through Lower Burg and Taurus.

Ceaseless can be skipped by crossing the river of lava. With high enough fire resistance you can roll from rock to rock and make it to the Demon Ruins without having to fight Ceaseless and lower the lava. Not easy, but entirely possible and intended.

Centipede can be skipped by joining the Chaos covenant and sacrificing a bunch of humanity to make it to rank 2. This opens a secret shortcut (a giant gate to the right of the Firesage fog door) that leads to Izalith and the Bed of Chaos without ever having to run through the lava.


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Actually, if you (or somebody) could just give me a list of every boss in the game--or just the ones that are necessary to beat the game--just to give me a sense of progression, that could be helpful.

Unless you feel like it could be too spoiler-y, like if a boss's name has plot significance for a twist or... something.

* = optional

After the first third of the game you can tackle each area in any order you want, with a couple exceptions.
There's a lot more optional bosses than just those, btw.

Those are all the bosses in the base game, with a couple mini-bosses thrown in. There aren't any other actual bosses.
I mean that your assessment of what bosses are optional or not is a bit off. Taurus, Capra, Gaping Dragon, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede are all entirely optional and legitimately skippable. Pinwheel is too, but he requires a bug to avoid so I'm not including him.

How are Taurus, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede optional?

Spoiler
I thought you had to kill Ceaseless to lower the lava, then kill the Centipede to get the ring to cross lava
Spoilers for Verb, don't open.

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Taurus can be skipped by simply taking the long way around. Using the Master Key you can take the elevator at Firelink down to New Londo, open the gate, run through the Valley of Drakes and backtrack through Darkroot to get to Andre and the Gargoyles. No need to ever go through Lower Burg and Taurus.

Ceaseless can be skipped by crossing the river of lava. With high enough fire resistance you can roll from rock to rock and make it to the Demon Ruins without having to fight Ceaseless and lower the lava. Not easy, but entirely possible and intended.

Centipede can be skipped by joining the Chaos covenant and sacrificing a bunch of humanity to make it to rank 2. This opens a secret shortcut (a giant gate to the right of the Firesage fog door) that leads to Izalith and the Bed of Chaos without ever having to run through the lava.

What the fuuuuuck. Never even considered the thought of doing that, and I always pick the key.


 
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You don't get a boss soul from Taurus when you kill him (I didn't, anyway), so maybe that defines it?
^
Last post on the page.

But yeah, I hadn't realized I just opened such a complicated can of worms.


 
 
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Actually, if you (or somebody) could just give me a list of every boss in the game--or just the ones that are necessary to beat the game--just to give me a sense of progression, that could be helpful.

Unless you feel like it could be too spoiler-y, like if a boss's name has plot significance for a twist or... something.

* = optional

After the first third of the game you can tackle each area in any order you want, with a couple exceptions.
There's a lot more optional bosses than just those, btw.

Those are all the bosses in the base game, with a couple mini-bosses thrown in. There aren't any other actual bosses.
I mean that your assessment of what bosses are optional or not is a bit off. Taurus, Capra, Gaping Dragon, Ceaseless, Firesage and Centipede are all entirely optional and legitimately skippable. Pinwheel is too, but he requires a bug to avoid so I'm not including him.
I'm surprised the souls community still considers Pinwheel a boss five years later.
He can still be a bit of pain on low DPS challenge runs.

For those wondering:

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Pinwheel is skippable by quitting out during the loading screen after getting to Nito for the Gravelord covenant. If done correctly, you'll spawn at the Tomb of the Giants rather than back in the Catacombs.


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>skipping bosses in a Souls game


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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
He can still be a bit of pain on low DPS challenge runs.
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Oh, good point. I once let him live for more than 30 seconds and the clone lasers almost killed me.
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For those wondering:

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Pinwheel is skippable by quitting out during the loading screen after getting to Nito for the Gravelord covenant. If done correctly, you'll spawn at the Tomb of the Giants rather than back in the Catacombs.
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Do you still get the rite of kindling? I don't think I've ever used it for anything besides satisfying curiosity anyway, so if no I wouldn't really be missing anything.


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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
>skipping bosses in a Souls game
>Challenge runs


 
 
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You don't get a boss soul from Taurus when you kill him (I didn't, anyway), so maybe that defines it?
^
Last post on the page.

But yeah, I hadn't realized I just opened such a complicated can of worms.
Nah, it really isn't. Typically, a boss in the Souls games is defined by having a fog door once the fight starts and a permanent health bar on screen, regardless of whether or not it dropps a boss soul. This isn't contested by anyone. Turkey just added some mini-bosses to the list which not everyone agreed with. They technically aren't bosses, just stronger and unique enemies that don't respawn. The fire breathing dragon on the bridge, the armored boar, the black knights and the big lightning throwing titanite demon without a head at the entrance of the forest are some examples of them.

The discussion now is just on what bosses are optional or not. Several bosses which seem mandatory at first aren't always that, and a lot of them can be avoided entirely if you know the game well enough. Turkey only listed a few as optional when there's actually 6 more you don't have to fight.
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He can still be a bit of pain on low DPS challenge runs.
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Oh, good point. I once let him live for more than 30 seconds and the clone lasers almost killed me.
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For those wondering:

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Pinwheel is skippable by quitting out during the loading screen after getting to Nito for the Gravelord covenant. If done correctly, you'll spawn at the Tomb of the Giants rather than back in the Catacombs.
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Do you still get the rite of kindling? I don't think I've ever used it for anything besides satisfying curiosity anyway, so if no I wouldn't really be missing anything.
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Yeah, it's the clones you've gotta watch out for. A few good hits from their orbs and a low defense character will be hurting bad. And nope, you don't still get the rite of kindling. It's just a glitch. The game still thinks you're in the Tomb of Giants (which is true) but doesn't spawn you inside the boss room because there's no way to get in there without sitting in the coffin first. So it does the best next thing and has you appear in the closest possible area to your last position, being the Tomb of the Giants. I'm actually not sure if has been patched yet, but you could break your game that way if you sat at a bonfire there and didn't first get the Lordvessel. With no way of warping back out and the orange fog gate still being there, there was no escape from the Tomb.


 
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stop quoting me if you're just gonna post spoilers plz


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spoilers]u kill bad ppl and take they're souls[/spoilers]


 
 
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stop quoting me if you're just gonna post spoilers plz
Verb, I have to go to bed but the wait is killing me. Tell me, quick.


 
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stop quoting me if you're just gonna post spoilers plz
Verb, I have to go to bed but the wait is killing me. Tell me, quick.
i must do what i've set out to do first

don't worry, i'll make it happen--get some rest


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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
He can still be a bit of pain on low DPS challenge runs.
Spoiler
Oh, good point. I once let him live for more than 30 seconds and the clone lasers almost killed me.
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For those wondering:

Spoiler
Pinwheel is skippable by quitting out during the loading screen after getting to Nito for the Gravelord covenant. If done correctly, you'll spawn at the Tomb of the Giants rather than back in the Catacombs.
Spoiler
Do you still get the rite of kindling? I don't think I've ever used it for anything besides satisfying curiosity anyway, so if no I wouldn't really be missing anything.
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you could break your game that way if you sat at a bonfire there and didn't first get the Lordvessel. With no way of warping back out and the orange fog gate still being there, there was no escape from the Tomb.
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That's an oddly fitting and terrifying scenario.


 
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I'm gonna go ahead and dedicate the rest of this playthrough to Sandtrap. He's been an avid follower since the beginning, and he was one of the guys who kept me motivated the most--along with Flee, Turkey, Luci, and even challenger, among others. When I did that silly prank where I claimed to have beaten the whole game without updating, Sandtrap seemed genuinely impressed and happy with me, as though I had become a bona fide Dark Souls player. Me--a guy who has previously talked so much shit about Dark Souls--is now a Dark Souls fan. I wager it must have been pleasant news. So, when I had to reveal that it was all a joke, I knew Sandtrap's reaction was going to sting the most. Only, he never responded at all.

Whether it was because he was upset with me, or disappointed--maybe he just didn't have the time, or just didn't care. I don't know, but I felt kinda shitty about it. Here's a guy who is further down on his luck than any of us could ever imagine, and all he wants to do on a tired day is visit this website for fun. Beyond the shitposting and the banter, there's genuine communion to be had here, and this thread was just one small part of that for Sandtrap. And I feel like I may have taken some of that away from him. Even his reaction to my joke review seemed incredulous, in a not-so-good way. That was pretty much our last interaction.

Now he's not here. And none of us can really be sure if he'll ever be back. So, yeah--if no one else, I'm gonna finish this game for Sandtrap. It might take me awhile, but I'm gonna get it done. I feel like it's the least I can do.

Sorry to make this awkward, but I've been thinking about this ever since his departure, and I had to get it out.
like if you cry every time


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>skipping bosses in a Souls game
>Challenge runs

Kind of defeats the purpose of a challenge if you're just going to puss out on a boss fight.


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“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
>skipping bosses in a Souls game
>Challenge runs

Kind of defeats the purpose of a challenge if you're just going to puss out on a boss fight.
Unless the challenge is something like a speed run, I agree.


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Almost always, with moderation
Just got into Dark Souls, Byrne is holding my hand for it though.


 
 
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Not counting the asylum demon, are there any bosses you guys have managed to defeat on your first try?

Sif
Seath
Nito
Pinwheel
Gwyn
Gwyndolyn
Biggie and smalls
Butterfly
Gaping dragon
I've killed asylum demon the very first time
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Not counting the asylum demon, are there any bosses you guys have managed to defeat on your first try?

Sif
Seath
Nito
Pinwheel
Gwyn
Gwyndolyn
Biggie and smalls
Butterfly
Gaping dragon
I've killed asylum demon the very first time
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few

You're not supposed to be level 250 mid game.


 
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Not counting the asylum demon, are there any bosses you guys have managed to defeat on your first try?

Sif
Seath
Nito
Pinwheel
Gwyn
Gwyndolyn
Biggie and smalls
Butterfly
Gaping dragon
I've killed asylum demon the very first time
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few

You're not supposed to be level 250 mid game.
who said i was 250


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Not counting the asylum demon, are there any bosses you guys have managed to defeat on your first try?

Sif
Seath
Nito
Pinwheel
Gwyn
Gwyndolyn
Biggie and smalls
Butterfly
Gaping dragon
I've killed asylum demon the very first time
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few

You're not supposed to be level 250 mid game.
who said i was 250

I do. There's no way you beat the O&S rapetrain your first time without being overleveled.


 
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If anyone has this on PC around level 98ish, let me know. We can duel.


 
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Not counting the asylum demon, are there any bosses you guys have managed to defeat on your first try?

Sif
Seath
Nito
Pinwheel
Gwyn
Gwyndolyn
Biggie and smalls
Butterfly
Gaping dragon
I've killed asylum demon the very first time
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few

You're not supposed to be level 250 mid game.
who said i was 250

I do. There's no way you beat the O&S rapetrain your first time without being overleveled.
I wasn't level 250, and I did it on my first try.


 
 
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fuck you
Just got into Dark Souls, Byrne is holding my hand for it though.
only for 3


have fun if you want to get into 1&2


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