Anyone else playing the N. Sane trilogy?

Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:09:14 PM

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developers aren't gonna want to rebuild a game from the ground up just so people can play the originals anyway though
if they make the remakes functionally worse than the originals, they should be obligated to

who cares what they want to do. you think these devs give a shit about redoing someone elses work or do they care about getting paid. including the older games doesn't somehow mean less sales.
i don't know, if i spent a year composing a score for a remaster for some old game, and i learned that you can just revert back to the old score on a whim, i'd be pretty upset

i'd feel like i wasted my time

its no more a waste of time then if no one buys your game

which isnt the case here but theres always that risk when you create a product like this

challengerX · July 14, 2017, 07:12:09 PM

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Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:13:20 PM

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developers aren't gonna want to rebuild a game from the ground up just so people can play the originals anyway though
if they make the remakes functionally worse than the originals, they should be obligated to

who cares what they want to do. you think these devs give a shit about redoing someone elses work or do they care about getting paid. including the older games doesn't somehow mean less sales.
i don't know, if i spent a year composing a score for a remaster for some old game, and i learned that you can just revert back to the old score on a whim, i'd be pretty upset

i'd feel like i wasted my time
Why exactly are your feelings more important than what the consumer wants?

when exactly did i say that

video games are art, for one thing—the designers can put whatever they want in the game and they don't have to listen to fucking anybody, and you can eat shit for all i care

for another, that wasn't even the point i was trying to make

Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:15:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:13:20 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: I'mmortal on July 14, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
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developers aren't gonna want to rebuild a game from the ground up just so people can play the originals anyway though
if they make the remakes functionally worse than the originals, they should be obligated to

who cares what they want to do. you think these devs give a shit about redoing someone elses work or do they care about getting paid. including the older games doesn't somehow mean less sales.
i don't know, if i spent a year composing a score for a remaster for some old game, and i learned that you can just revert back to the old score on a whim, i'd be pretty upset

i'd feel like i wasted my time
Why exactly are your feelings more important than what the consumer wants?
when exactly did i say that

video games are art, for one thing—the designers can put whatever they want in the game and they don't have to listen to fucking anybody, and you can eat shit for all i care

for another, that wasn't even the point i was trying to make

i think remakes are an exception, because theyre mot really being creatove. theyre just rehashing someone elses work for a quick buck. theyre the opposite of art, unless they do something vastly different.

Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM

the (incredibly obvious and you're a fucking moron if you couldn't get this) point i was trying to make is that developers on the whole are not gonna bother packing the original game with a remake because it's a complete waste of time for them to do so

regardless of what YOU want, they are NOT GOING TO DO IT

that's all i'm saying

Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:16:34 PM

Quote from: I'mmortal on July 14, 2017, 07:15:59 PM

i think remakes are an exception, because theyre mot really being creatove. theyre just rehashing someone elses work for a quick buck. theyre the opposite of art, unless they do something vastly different.

completely disagree

it simply doesn't make sense—why waste time money resources etc. making a remake then, when they could just rerelease the game on the playstation store or some other thing

i wouldn't buy a remaster of a game and expect to get anything other than a remaster

and if it ends up being not as good as the original, oh well

challengerX · July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM

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Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM

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The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.

then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb

challengerX · July 14, 2017, 07:25:05 PM

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Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:26:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:25:05 PM

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Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.
then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb
Ok we're in violent agreement lmao I never said otherwise I was just asking why the developer's feelings should be more important that what people want

that's what i was saying, you completely just missed the boat on what i was saying

that said, developer's feelings do matter quite a lot

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · July 14, 2017, 07:28:52 PM

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challengerX · July 14, 2017, 07:32:26 PM

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Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:34:27 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.
then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb
Ok we're in violent agreement lmao I never said otherwise I was just asking why the developer's feelings should be more important that what people want
that's what i said, you completely just missed the boat on what i was saying

that said, developer's feelings do matter quite a lot
I wasn't paying attention to the conversation I'm just saying the developers "feelings" don't matter if they make the game worse

if only you could account for what makes a game worse that easily

i'm sure plenty of people like the new music and don't give a shit about the loading times or whatever

Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:44:10 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:16:34 PM

why waste time money resources etc. making a remake then, when they could just rerelease the game on the playstation store or some other thing

Graphics and resolution. That's all people seem to care about these days. A fully-remade from the ground up rerelease is more enticing than just releasing the older games digitally. It's more flashy, and in the eyes of the common man, it's a more "legitimate" release.

It's also a lot cheaper to remake a game than it is to make a new one, because all the hard, creative work is done, but the profit margins are probably greater on remakes. That's why we've seen so many of them in recent years -- it's easy money.

Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:44:47 PM

Quote from: ねこ on July 14, 2017, 07:28:52 PM

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Xbox One has an improved d-pad compared to its 360 counterpart, its good to know that Prehistoric agrees the PC version is going to be the surperior version only for the fact that you'll be able to use the Wii U Pro Controller that makes the PS4's D-Pad seem like dogshit

An improvement over the dogshit 360 controller doesn't say much, because it's still worse than every iteration of the Playstation D-pad.

The PC versiom will likely be better, yeah. The Wii-U Pro's D-pad is equal to the Dualshock 4, but it's a superior controller overall.
Knowing the Xbox crowd, I'm pretty sure they'll be playing the game with the analog than with the D-Pad

I pity them. It wouldn't really be a problem if the game wasn't so damn clumsy.

Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:48:07 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:34:27 PM

i'm sure plenty of people like the new music and don't give a shit about the loading times or whatever

My main complaint is how poorly Crash handles. Which is pretty much universally agreed upon.

What they did was use the Crash 3 engine to remake all the other games, but Crash 2 and especially 1 were far more platforming-based, and their engines gave the player the "benefit of the doubt." If they were close to a crate, the game just assumed they had correctly jumped onto it. Crash 3 had many more vehicle and gimmick levels so they needed to use a more sensitive engine. 3D platformers requiring extremely accurate button jumps just don't work, but like I said, the Crash 3 engine is built to be very sensitive.

challengerX · July 14, 2017, 07:49:09 PM

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Elai · July 14, 2017, 07:50:52 PM

I think he means people are probably not bothered by it as much as I am.

But that's because I am not most people, and I need to go for death routes and stuff that required a perfect run of a level before opening up. The game doesn't allow you to restart the level. If you die, you have to quit, sit through a loading screen, go back to the warp room, go back into the warp gate, sit through another loading screen, and start again.

Verbatim · July 14, 2017, 07:51:29 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
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Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.
then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb
Ok we're in violent agreement lmao I never said otherwise I was just asking why the developer's feelings should be more important that what people want
that's what i said, you completely just missed the boat on what i was saying

that said, developer's feelings do matter quite a lot
I wasn't paying attention to the conversation I'm just saying the developers "feelings" don't matter if they make the game worse
if only you could account for what makes a game worse that easily

i'm sure plenty of people like the new music and don't give a shit about the loading times or whatever
"plenty of people like longer loading times"

Hahahaha this guy is great

in what world does "don't give a shit" mean "like"

that said, yeah, i'm sure some people DO like longer loading times

maybe i do

what of it

challengerX · July 14, 2017, 08:31:42 PM

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Verbatim · July 15, 2017, 01:54:25 AM

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.
then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb
Ok we're in violent agreement lmao I never said otherwise I was just asking why the developer's feelings should be more important that what people want
that's what i said, you completely just missed the boat on what i was saying

that said, developer's feelings do matter quite a lot
I wasn't paying attention to the conversation I'm just saying the developers "feelings" don't matter if they make the game worse
if only you could account for what makes a game worse that easily

i'm sure plenty of people like the new music and don't give a shit about the loading times or whatever
"plenty of people like longer loading times"

Hahahaha this guy is great
in what world does "don't give a shit" mean "like"

that said, yeah, i'm sure some people DO like longer loading times

maybe i do

what of it
And some people like eating shit, that doesn't make it a good thing.

doesn't make it a bad thing either

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · July 15, 2017, 01:58:10 AM

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Jono · July 15, 2017, 02:53:32 AM

Quote from: ねこ on July 15, 2017, 01:58:10 AM

N. SANE IN THE MEMBRANE

N. SANE IN THE BRAIN

Boomdeyadah · July 15, 2017, 03:09:22 AM

Real talk, when is a remastered Crash Team Racing going to happen.

Jono · July 15, 2017, 03:11:44 AM

Quote from: Boomdeyadah on July 15, 2017, 03:09:22 AM

Real talk, when is a remastered Diddy Kong Racing going to happen.

FTFY

Boomdeyadah · July 15, 2017, 03:13:38 AM

Quote from: Jono on July 15, 2017, 03:11:44 AM

Quote from: Boomdeyadah on July 15, 2017, 03:09:22 AM
Real talk, when is a remastered Diddy Kong Racing going to happen.
FTFY

Delete this.

A Cheese Potato · July 15, 2017, 03:18:34 AM

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Verbatim · July 15, 2017, 05:28:29 AM

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Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 14, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 14, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
The only people that are gonna be eating shit are the developers when they make a boring game nobody wants to play.

Videogames have to be fun because the developers want money for their hard work. Nobody has this raging boner for artistic integrity like you do, they want to make fun games for people to enjoy and they want money for it. Everybody wins.
then what they should've done is made a good remake

why do they have to package in the original, that's just dumb
Ok we're in violent agreement lmao I never said otherwise I was just asking why the developer's feelings should be more important that what people want
that's what i said, you completely just missed the boat on what i was saying

that said, developer's feelings do matter quite a lot
I wasn't paying attention to the conversation I'm just saying the developers "feelings" don't matter if they make the game worse
if only you could account for what makes a game worse that easily

i'm sure plenty of people like the new music and don't give a shit about the loading times or whatever
"plenty of people like longer loading times"

Hahahaha this guy is great
in what world does "don't give a shit" mean "like"

that said, yeah, i'm sure some people DO like longer loading times

maybe i do

what of it
And some people like eating shit, that doesn't make it a good thing.
doesn't make it a bad thing either
Eating shit is objectively bad.

it's actually not

challengerX · July 15, 2017, 05:30:48 AM

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