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Really? Or was it you going for extreme examples and even bringing up animals that live off feces?
if you started using extreme examples i wouldn't give a fuck, why does it matter

they're logically cogent arguments despite being impractical so who cares

i would argue that extreme examples have MORE utility than regular ones, because they test the limits of what you believe
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The base act of eating shit isn't pleasant. You bringing up some random hypothetical doesn't change that, if anything it further proves my point that you would only possibly consider eating shit if your best friend was at gunpoint.
you mean "the base act of HUMANS eating shit without a gun to their head"

we're adding two modifiers here, so we're actually talking about a more specific base act, you just seem to think everything is implied

once you add those two modifiers, i would have to concede that i'd have to stretch my imagination beyond what i'd consider reasonable (or necessary for this discussion) in order to argue that eating shit is anything but a bad thing

there are plenty of scenarios i can come up with where eating shit might not be a bad thing, but i'll just pretend for a moment that we've covered everything, because they all involve modifying the "base act" as you put it (just like you've done when trying to prove the opposite point, because such a thing is unavoidable)

without those two modifiers, it makes perfect sense for me to bring up animals, because you didn't bar them from discussion, even though i technically knew what you were talking about—i just think specificity is important, especially when you're talking about the philosophy and the metaphysical properties of actions and shit
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Nobody likes longer loading times.


 
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sorry for fucking up your thread snake
Nobody likes longer loading times.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha

you mean to tell me this entire discussion only happened because you think i said something different

what i SAID was, some people don't care about long loading times

like me

i just don't care

i don't LIKE when games take too long to load, but i think most people in general are overly impatient and they consider anything more than ten seconds absolutely unacceptable—personally, i can wait up to twenty seconds before i start bellyaching

fast loading times are nice, and no loading times at all are even nicer, but it's not that big of a deal to me, and that's all i was trying to say


 
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if you started using extreme examples i wouldn't give a fuck, why does it matter

they're logically cogent arguments despite being impractical so who cares

i would argue that extreme examples have MORE utility than regular ones, because they test the limits of what you believe
But I'm not talking about beliefs. My original statement was very basic. Nobody likes longer loading times just like nobody enjoys having a bowl of poop. You're the one that took this to the philosophical level for no reason.

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you mean "the base act of HUMANS eating shit without a gun to their head"

we're adding two modifiers here, so we're actually talking about a more specific base act, you just seem to think everything is implied
There's no modifier. I'm talking about eating shit. We're humans, so I'm obviously talking about us.

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once you add those two modifiers, i would have to concede that i'd have to stretch my imagination beyond what i'd consider reasonable (or necessary for this discussion) in order to argue that eating shit is anything but a bad thing
I didn't add anything. You did. You created a hypothetical where being forced to do something unpleasant (eating poop) could be considered good in an abstract sort of way because the outcome is good (hypothetically).

That doesn't change the fact that eating poop is not a good thing. You're just adding the modifier of saving a friend to try and make it a good thing but it still isn't. Saving your friend is good, eating poop isn't.

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there are plenty of scenarios i can come up with where eating shit might not be a bad thing, but i'll just pretend for a moment that we've covered everything, because they all involve modifying the "base act" as you put it (just like you've done when trying to prove the opposite point, because such a thing is unavoidable)
I didn't, though. I said nobody likes longer loading times.

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without those two modifiers, it makes perfect sense for me to bring up animals, because you didn't bar them from discussion, even though i technically knew what you were talking about—i just think specificity is important, especially when you're talking about the philosophy and the metaphysical properties of actions and shit
I'm not talking about the philosophy of eating shit. I'm talking about how nobody enjoys eating shit just like they don't like longer loading times. Longer loading times are always considered a negative in every game review.

I'm sure you can find some contrarian out there who enjoys longer loading times, but again, it doesn't change the fact that the average and majority opinion is that longer loading times means less time playing which means less enjoyment. That's a bad thing.


 
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You're the one that took this to the philosophical level for no reason.
in my experience, most people seem to enjoy thinking about stuff in ways that they haven't before

i certainly do, and i think it's healthy to challenge paradigms of what video games should and shouldn't have, or should and shouldn't be, just like i'd do with any other art form

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I didn't add anything. You did. You created a hypothetical where being forced to do something unpleasant (eating poop) could be considered good in an abstract sort of way because the outcome is good (hypothetically).
i just don't understand why you're allowed to add modifiers when i'm not

it's like you know you're wrong, so you back yourself into a tight corner, putting yourself at an intellectual dead-end, and then you try to say that's what I'M doing to make yourself look right

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I didn't, though. I said nobody likes longer loading times.
what if the loading screen has a justifiable reason for it to be longer

i can come up with a bunch of extreme examples where you'd want a loading screen to last an hour if you want

you call it an extreme example, i call it being creative
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I'm sure you can find some contrarian out there who enjoys longer loading times, but again, it doesn't change the fact that the average and majority opinion is that longer loading times means less time playing which means less enjoyment. That's a bad thing.
wonderful, i absolutely agree

you realize this is all you needed to say right


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
the reason the n sane trilogy takes so long to load is because it loads the entire level before entry. in comparison, the originals only loaded the portion of the level in which crash was located, which was a really clever way of eliminating down time. given how impressive the game looks, i'm not sure why they wouldn't have adopted this loading method. especially since loading screens are a common problem with games today.

a speed runner can beat them game (just crystals, no gems) in roughly an hour, but there are over 14 minutes of loading screens. and you have to basically double that for gem play throughs.


 
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in my experience, most people seem to enjoy thinking about stuff in ways that they haven't before

i certainly do, and i think it's healthy to challenge paradigms of what video games should and shouldn't have, or should and shouldn't be, just like i'd do with any other art form
Yeah,  too bad you started talking about eating poop.

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i just don't understand why you're allowed to add modifiers when i'm not

it's like you know you're wrong, so you back yourself into a tight corner, putting yourself at an intellectual dead-end, and then you try to say that's what I'M doing to make yourself look right
That's funny, because it's exactly what you're doing. Not me. Eating poop has no modifiers, it's the act of eating poop. You're modifying it by saying it's a good thing to do if you're at gunpoint. It isn't. It's still gross and unhealthy, and tastes terrible. You would only consider doing it if you're at gunpoint, which further proves how much of an objective negative it is.

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what if the loading screen has a justifiable reason for it to be longer

i can come up with a bunch of extreme examples where you'd want a loading screen to last an hour if you want

you call it an extreme example, i call it being creative
Go ahead. I'll once again show you how it's a dumb scenario that is completely unrealistic.

I play games to play games. Not watch loading screens.

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wonderful, i absolutely agree

you realize this is all you needed to say right
I said this several times and it was heavily implied. Not to mention it's a given, that isn't something I should have had to write. I felt like I was explaining something to a child by writing that.

I know it to be true, so I assumed you did too. Either you were purposefully being obtuse, or you're just dumb.


 
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Yeah,  too bad you started talking about eating poop.
actually you did

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Eating poop has no modifiers, it's the act of eating poop. You're modifying it by saying it's a good thing to do if you're at gunpoint. It isn't. It's still gross and unhealthy, and tastes terrible. You would only consider doing it if you're at gunpoint, which further proves how much of an objective negative it is.
if it was OBJETIVELY negative, then you would NEVER under ANY circumstances eat shit

not for a million dollars, not to save your friend, not to save the world

you wouldn't do it, because it is OBJECTIVELY bad

that's what that means
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I play games to play games. Not watch loading screens.
maybe the loading screen is part of the game

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I said this several times and it was heavily implied. Not to mention it's a given, that isn't something I should have had to write. I felt like I was explaining something to a child by writing that.

I know it to be true, so I assumed you did too. Either you were purposefully being obtuse, or you're just dumb.
actually, you never said or implied it, and you've repeatedly made the exact opposite statement


 
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actually you did
I said it as like a half joke. Nobody likes loading screens like nobody likes eating shit/getting shot etc. lmao you take things too seriously.

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if it was OBJETIVELY negative, then you would NEVER under ANY circumstances eat shit

not for a million dollars, not to save your friend, not to save the world

you wouldn't do it, because it is OBJECTIVELY bad

that's what that means
I wouldn't. I would never sacrifice my dignity for money. My friend shouldn't have been slippin if we have people after us like that, and the world can burn for all I care.

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maybe the loading screen is part of the game
The loading screen is always part of the game. It's just a very shitty part of it. That's why developers put in trivia or lore or a nice image to look at, so it's not a complete waste of time.

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actually, you never said or implied it, and you've repeatedly made the exact opposite statement
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I wouldn't. I would never sacrifice my dignity for money. My friend shouldn't have been slippin if we have people after us like that, and the world can burn for all I care.
good for you, i happen to feel the exact same way

so you're basically saying that you're the arbiter of objectivity, then

you decide what's objective because you personally would never eat shit in any circumstance whatsoever

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The loading screen is always part of the game.
you know what i mean by part of the game

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fucking lol when
pick any post you made in this thread


 
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good for you, i happen to feel the exact same way

so you're basically saying that you're the arbiter of objectivity, then

you decide what's objective because you personally would never eat shit in any circumstance whatsoever
No. Eating shit is still bad no matter the outcome. Killing somebody is bad, but the outcome is good if it's one less bad person in the world.

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you know what i mean by part of the game
If a developer is smart enough to make loading screens fun that would obviously make it ok if the loading times longer. He still had to go out of his to develop a fun loading screen to deal with the negative that is a loading screen.

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pick any post you made in this thread
I never said the opposite. All along that's what I was saying. You just refuse to acknowledge it because you don't like it when I'm right about something.


 
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No. Eating shit is still bad no matter the outcome. Killing somebody is bad, but the outcome is good if it's one less bad person in the world.
then that means killing them was good

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If a developer is smart enough to make loading screens fun that would obviously make it ok if the loading times longer. He still had to go out of his to develop a fun loading screen to deal with the negative that is a loading screen.
okay

maybe the length of the loading screens is tied into the lore somehow

what about that


 
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Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!


 
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Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!
i actually think i've played a game that had a game within the loading screen, or some sort of interactivity

i was trying to think of it


 
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Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!
i actually think i've played a game that had a game within the loading screen, or some sort of interactivity

i was trying to think of it
If its an old game that would've been a Namco game since they patented it, if its a current game the only game that pops into my head is Splatoon


 
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Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!
i actually think i've played a game that had a game within the loading screen, or some sort of interactivity

i was trying to think of it
If its an old game that would've been a Namco game since they patented it, if its a current game the only game that pops into my head is Splatoon
Found it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invade-a-Load

"Invade-a-Load contained a notable feature other than its fast loading routines: While the actual game was loading—a process which usually took a long time, even with optimized loader routines—the loader allowed the user to play a smaller game to pass time. The game was a clone of the famous Space Invaders game. The minigame was loaded in under a minute, providing entertainment while waiting for the actual game to load which could take a further five to ten minutes."

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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
the dragon ball games used to have fun mini games in the loading screens.


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I lied, I'm not impressed. But then again, I'm a tough audience.
right?


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Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!
i actually think i've played a game that had a game within the loading screen, or some sort of interactivity

i was trying to think of it
If its an old game that would've been a Namco game since they patented it, if its a current game the only game that pops into my head is Splatoon
Found it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invade-a-Load

"Invade-a-Load contained a notable feature other than its fast loading routines: While the actual game was loading—a process which usually took a long time, even with optimized loader routines—the loader allowed the user to play a smaller game to pass time. The game was a clone of the famous Space Invaders game. The minigame was loaded in under a minute, providing entertainment while waiting for the actual game to load which could take a further five to ten minutes."

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Wow, the loading times are so fucking long they had to add in a game  to play while you wait.

What if you don't like Space Invaders?


 
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then that means killing them was good
The outcome was good. The base act of killing is wrong.

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okay

maybe the length of the loading screens is tied into the lore somehow

what about that
Badly made game if they need to do these things to compensate for ridiculously long load times. Which again proves the point that the longer the loading time is, the worse the game is so you have to add something else in to alleviate the negativity.


 
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Wow, the loading times are so fucking long they had to add in a game  to play while you wait.

What if you don't like Space Invaders?
That's not the point.

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The outcome was good. The base act of killing is wrong.
the base act of killing is neutral, just like everything else in the universe

i can't think of a single thing that isn't intrinsically neutral from a philosophical standpoint

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Badly made game if they need to do these things to compensate for ridiculously long load times. Which again proves the point that the longer the loading time is, the worse the game is so you have to add something else in to alleviate the negativity.
maybe someone can find an appreciation for long loading times because it adds a "vintage" aesthetic to a game or some shit

maybe it's a fast-paced game and they appreciate being given a bit of extra time to reflect on stuff, or just think about what they're gonna do next or whatever

you already admitted that there are some weirdos who might be like this, so i just don't see a point in excluding them just because the majority happens to hate long loading times, myself included

i don't see a point in marginalizing unpopular opinions

i just don't
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i still got crash 2 and 3 on the PS Vita so i'll have to stick with them for the time being.