So, fapping...

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

The fifth option applies to me most closely, I guess.

My thoughts are that you don't call it "fapping" like you're some kind of cringy 13 year old

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:18 PM

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time.

Sure, but the only reason I "enjoy" it is because I'm literally forcing dopamine into my brain--I don't consider that real enjoyment.

My thoughts are that you don't call it "fapping" like you're some kind of cringy 13 year old

Beating off, spanking the monkey, wanking, jerking off, playing with yourself, seeing Rosy Palm and her 5 sisters, doing the 5 finger knuckle shuffle on the piss pump, flogging the dolphin, choking the chicken, touching the trouser snake...

Whatever you call it.

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Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:18 PM

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time.

Sure, but the only reason I "enjoy" it is because I'm literally forcing dopamine into my brain--I don't consider that real enjoyment.

A synthetic pleasure is still pleasure. You're too rigid.

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Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:18 PM

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time.

Sure, but the only reason I "enjoy" it is because I'm literally forcing dopamine into my brain--I don't consider that real enjoyment.

A synthetic pleasure is still pleasure. You're too rigid.

"Synthetic" is a good word. I simply prefer non-synthetic, "natural" pleasures.

That's... An odd view point...

So wait, how do you justify listening to the same album multiple times then?

By focusing my attention on specific individual parts that make the song interesting to listen to.

We've sort of had this conversation before. The reason I adore NIN so much is because of how layered a lot of their music is. You can listen to the same song and focus your attention on a specific rhythmic loop, and appreciate how it interacts with all the other sounds. Listen to how the bass complements the drums, or how the synths complement the vocals, et cetera.

With a good, layered track, it's like listening to a different song every time.

On top of that, I don't have the greatest memory in the world, so, it's not like I listen to a song once, I have it in my head forever. Sometimes I don't even like a song at all until I've listen to it for the thirtieth time.

And finally, music itself, while static, can have dynamic effects depending on your mood. If I'm feeling depressed, Billy Idol is going to be the last artist I'm gonna want to listen to--because his sound doesn't at all reflect how I'm feeling at that moment, so it's gonna sound different (worse) to my ears.

Music is weird.

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Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:18 PM

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time.

Sure, but the only reason I "enjoy" it is because I'm literally forcing dopamine into my brain--I don't consider that real enjoyment.

A synthetic pleasure is still pleasure. You're too rigid.

"Synthetic" is a good word. I simply prefer non-synthetic, "natural" pleasures.

SINCE WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER APPEALED TO THE NATURAL ORDER. WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF FAKE ASS VERB ARE YOU. I WANT THE REAL VERB BACK THIS INSTANT.

I think I'm doing the opposite, actually. Most people don't ask themselves whether or not they "should" receive pleasure from something. They don't care--as long as they're experiencing pleasure, everything is okay.

As for me, I like to take a step back and ask myself whether enjoying this particular thing is logical or not.

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Quote from: Carsonogen on October 08, 2015, 02:09:48 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:07:28 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 08, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:18 PM

I masturbate. I don't like to, because it's a colossal waste of time, but whatever.

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time.

Sure, but the only reason I "enjoy" it is because I'm literally forcing dopamine into my brain--I don't consider that real enjoyment.

A synthetic pleasure is still pleasure. You're too rigid.

"Synthetic" is a good word. I simply prefer non-synthetic, "natural" pleasures.

SINCE WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER APPEALED TO THE NATURAL ORDER. WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF FAKE ASS VERB ARE YOU. I WANT THE REAL VERB BACK THIS INSTANT.

I think I'm doing the opposite, actually. Most people don't ask themselves whether or not they "should" receive pleasure from something. They don't care--as long as they're experiencing pleasure, everything is okay.

As for me, I like to take a step back and ask myself whether or not enjoying something is logical or not.

How exactly do you define whether enjoying certain things is logical or not?

Stupid question, I know. You could enjoy murdering people and that wouldn't be very good now would it.

It must get complicated for some things. I always tend to draw the line at if said enjoyment effects other people. If my enjoyment infringes on somebody, or can harm them, then it doesn't get a pass in my books.

Quote from: eggsalad on October 08, 2015, 02:23:57 PM

Couldn't you explore different pornography, techniques, etc to experience sexual gratification in unexpected ways?

Yeah, of course, but the thing is, logically speaking, I don't think there's anything inherently enjoyable about what I'm watching. I'd rather not become a deviant who has to look up some fucked up shit just to get off, you know what I'm saying?

Well I think it's just analogous to music, you explore the different levels of a song and get enjoyment out of it, soon enough basic music with no depth just isn't exciting or stimulating to you.

Similarly, pornography can play on taboo and natural triggers in your mind and exploring it produces enjoyment, soon enough vanilla stuff isn't that provocative to you.

I mean obviously if there aren't those natural triggers produced by your sexuality then there isn't much joy garnered from the process, but the same can be said about music for some people.


maybe i'm biased though because I'm both a sexual deviant and someone who enjoys grind, hardcore, etc.

How exactly do you define whether enjoying certain things is logical or not?

Stupid question, I know. You could enjoy murdering people and that wouldn't be very good now would it.

It must get complicated for some things. I always tend to draw the line at if said enjoyment effects other people. If my enjoyment infringes on somebody, or can harm them, then it doesn't get a pass in my books.

It depends, I guess. Like, I guess the biggest question is, "What am I getting out of this?"

With pornography, I get an orgasm.

After that, I lay in bed, sad that I spent two hours of my life for five to ten seconds of pleasure.

The cost-benefit just isn't there in my favor.

Waste of time