I doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 19, 2015, 02:08:03 PMQuote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:01:57 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 19, 2015, 01:54:13 PMMehI doubt areas like mine will have the stations to support long-distance driving with electric cars for a long fucking time. Doesn't really get us off our fossil fuel use either unless we decide to finally restart a nation wide nuclear power program. That juice gotta come from somewhere, man.Yeah, full electric won't be feasible for anyone living outside a major city until the infrastructure is in place to support it. At least in large countries like the US.Yup.Then there's also those of us who just like to hear loud motors and smell gasoline. Mechanical linkage best linkage. Death to EFI. Give me carburetors or give me death!Horse and buggy didn't completely die out, I doubt combustion engines will either. Although they'll be oddities further down the line.I also doubt we'll stop racing and tuning them as a hobby.
Quote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:01:57 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 19, 2015, 01:54:13 PMMehI doubt areas like mine will have the stations to support long-distance driving with electric cars for a long fucking time. Doesn't really get us off our fossil fuel use either unless we decide to finally restart a nation wide nuclear power program. That juice gotta come from somewhere, man.Yeah, full electric won't be feasible for anyone living outside a major city until the infrastructure is in place to support it. At least in large countries like the US.Yup.Then there's also those of us who just like to hear loud motors and smell gasoline. Mechanical linkage best linkage. Death to EFI. Give me carburetors or give me death!
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 19, 2015, 01:54:13 PMMehI doubt areas like mine will have the stations to support long-distance driving with electric cars for a long fucking time. Doesn't really get us off our fossil fuel use either unless we decide to finally restart a nation wide nuclear power program. That juice gotta come from somewhere, man.Yeah, full electric won't be feasible for anyone living outside a major city until the infrastructure is in place to support it. At least in large countries like the US.
MehI doubt areas like mine will have the stations to support long-distance driving with electric cars for a long fucking time. Doesn't really get us off our fossil fuel use either unless we decide to finally restart a nation wide nuclear power program. That juice gotta come from somewhere, man.
Quote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:25:57 PMI doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.Actually the batteries are fine for most people's needs.
Quote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:29:44 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:25:57 PMI doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.Actually the batteries are fine for most people's needs.In the real world, EV's would need to meet everyone's needs, hence changing the standard. The fact is they don't, and there's literally no incentive to buy them when you can get a gas car for cheaper, that's more efficient, and better infrastructure. I could show a simple graph represting energy output of the common battery relative to gasoline and it wouldn't even be a contest.
Its a good thing. But gas cars>electric cars
Quote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:37:21 PMQuote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:29:44 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:25:57 PMI doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.Actually the batteries are fine for most people's needs.In the real world, EV's would need to meet everyone's needs, hence changing the standard. The fact is they don't, and there's literally no incentive to buy them when you can get a gas car for cheaper, that's more efficient, and better infrastructure. I could show a simple graph represting energy output of the common battery relative to gasoline and it wouldn't even be a contest.The attractive part of an EV is the cost of fuel per mile I drive. If I'm paying $3.50/gal at the pump right now, paying a fraction of that for a full "tank" on an EV is tempting. It may cost more to buy an EV, but the cost of ownership is less - lower cost of fuel and less maintenance.
Quote from: JESTER AND LELIANA R KOOL on October 19, 2015, 02:59:15 PMIts a good thing. But gas cars>electric carsFor now. An electric motor has enough torque to rip the lug nuts off the wheels. The problem is in the battery. They can go as fast as we want them to, but not for very long
Quote from: Mad Max on October 19, 2015, 02:40:05 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:37:21 PMQuote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:29:44 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:25:57 PMI doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.Actually the batteries are fine for most people's needs.In the real world, EV's would need to meet everyone's needs, hence changing the standard. The fact is they don't, and there's literally no incentive to buy them when you can get a gas car for cheaper, that's more efficient, and better infrastructure. I could show a simple graph represting energy output of the common battery relative to gasoline and it wouldn't even be a contest.The attractive part of an EV is the cost of fuel per mile I drive. If I'm paying $3.50/gal at the pump right now, paying a fraction of that for a full "tank" on an EV is tempting. It may cost more to buy an EV, but the cost of ownership is less - lower cost of fuel and less maintenance.This is true, however we still need to look at the infrastructure right now. Charging stations are not common, and the most common ones are not supercharging tesla stations, so we're looking at long charging times. People notice this, and they common thing that people dislike is the range on common EVs, and they dislike the range because if they run out of charge they're screwed. They're practical in large urban areas and major cities, but for spread out areas it becomes an issue.
Quote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:37:21 PMQuote from: Duck Fieri on October 19, 2015, 02:29:44 PMQuote from: Lord Starch on October 19, 2015, 02:25:57 PMI doubt they'll become the standard and replace gas cars until battery technology is revolutionized. The lithium ion and I believe nickel metal hydride battery isn't really cutting it, so the overall chemistry needs reevaluated. Batteries in their current state aren't efficient enough due to the recharge rate, and power output vs longevity. Tesla makes a good performing EV though regardless. And I do hope gas cars are replaced eventually.Actually the batteries are fine for most people's needs.In the real world, EV's would need to meet everyone's needs, hence changing the standard. The fact is they don't, and there's literally no incentive to buy them when you can get a gas car for cheaper, that's more efficient, and better infrastructure. I could show a simple graph represting energy output of the common battery relative to gasoline and it wouldn't even be a contest.>EV's would need to meet everyone's needsHere's where we disagree. People that live and commute in a city/suburb of that city (ie. most people) have different needs than a person in a rural area(like me). Where as someone like Max or Charlie could probably get by with the battery life as it is now(as I understand it), I could not.
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