The problem is that their own version of right and wrong is subjective. A lot of the time it's not even a matter of morality, it's more of a matter that you do or say something that society just isn't comfortable. It could be that you don't follow a certain form of etiquette, you could go against one of society's "traditions" or norms. The thing is that the universe unequivocally doesn't give a single fuck. People act like whatever they think is a law of fucking nature. I think people have a really hard with this concept because they're so busy masturbating over how they're right. There's this mentality whenever someone hears about something they never heard about. They laugh and get all defensive and act like it's so fucking weird. I guess that's to save face over the fact that if they tried to understand the world around them instead of just laughing they may not understand.

I want to live in a world where understanding is just a fluid every changing stream, and whatever enters your mind is being constantly reevaluated. I think that people really like their mind to run on patterns though. Traditional thinking and  love of customs is really just a sign of extreme mental weakness. I see it everywhere I go. Here is my response to this kind of thinking

so first I'm being compared to a guy I never met named deci, and no cheat. when will the boogeyman go away?

Quote from: Numb Digger on January 24, 2015, 08:13:07 AM

Well, it doesn't matter what people think is right or wrong, they'll still have to follow the law. Or, y'know, they could do what they think is right, and get in trouble for it.

Destroying religious objects? I don't get it.

Loaf, quick tip:

Right and wrong isn't subjective; morality is based on factual propositions. People can clearly be wrong about right and wrong, and you should tell them as such.

>morality is based on factual positions
because someone can totally say who is right and wrong. I BET NO ONE EVER TRIED THAT BEFORE.

Quote from: Nagato on January 24, 2015, 08:37:56 AM

Quote from: Loaf on January 24, 2015, 08:32:33 AM

yeah Nagato is getting muted.

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Right and wrong isn't subjective; morality is based on factual propositions. People can clearly be wrong about right and wrong, and you should tell them as such.

Allow me to derail this thread.

In saying that moral statements can be right or wrong are you merely saying they are propositional statements with a true or false value or are you saying that can be derived non-subjectively?

I would argue that while moral statements can be true or false, they are ultimately based on assignment of value which, in my understanding, is pretty much always subjective. There for the truth value would only be with respect to how well they reflect that individuals or communities values.

I'm sure I'm mistaken. If you're saying moral statements can be derived from non-moral aspects of reality, I'm really unsure as to how that works, an explanation would be nice.