You Can Decide To Trust God, Or You Can Remain Miserable.

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I neither fear, nor despise.
It is for me. The thought that my life is, in actuality, infinite? The idea that I can see the people I love again, and be with them forever? The idea that I can be eternally happy, and never feel any kind of pain again? The fact that I can remember that I got here because I always tried to do right by other people, and just wanted to help them when I could?

I don't know, I like that idea. I like it a lot more than just dying.
Congratulations, you've just discovered the use of religion as a coping mechanism for the fear of the unknown or death.
Well of course it is Das Butt.

If that's all it is for me, that's fine. If I die and there's nothing there, I'm obviously not going to be complaining about it on an internet forum.

But for now, it gives me comfort to believe in what I do, and it's what makes the most sense to me.
Literally just too scared of death to accept it. That's your way of doing things. Don't make a stupid bait post telling other people they're all worthless if they don't do the same.
yeah it was a bait-post.  I admit that.

Still something I actually believe. And oh thanks for putting words in my mouth because I never said  people are worthless if they don't believe the way I do.

In fact I made it clear about 2-3 times that I don't care what you believe and I don't think God does either.

BUT I'M THE BIG SCARY THEISTIC BOOGYMAN COMING TO TAKE YOUR FREEDOM AWAY, BETTER TREAT ME LIKE AN ENEMY BOOOOOO
You basically said life is worthless without god.
From my point of view*, yes, it is. That is what I believe, but I never said that I BELIEVE that people are worthless, nor that their lives are.

*inb4goji

This thread is a great example of why I don't put my faith all over my posts.
You saw that reaction?

I don't have time for that.
"being gay is a choice"

GEE-WHIZ, I WONDER WHY?

RC plz. If you would actually let me explain what I meant further, instead of flipping out, you'd be more understanding.

But that won't happen
Not really sure how you can explain your way out of that.
In short, its pretty much a marriage of both sides. All the points people make in support of it being a choice, like genetics and all that, are correct.

Mine is merely a philosophical view of free-will containing all decisions. Even the natural ones that our brain pushed us towards.

tl;dr

Anything is a choice. Doesn't mean it isn't natural, or driven by biology. I could force myself to go against it if I wanted to. Some people do, but I don't. >_>
when people say "the gay is choice," they are referring to the attraction, not the action. of fucking course humping is a choice, literally no one says otherwise.
So your reaction was pointless. Congratulations.
you instigated, and you fucking know it.
You see how quick an explanation changes things?

Its awesome :D


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I neither fear, nor despise.
Remember when killing the gays was celebrated?
When was this?


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
This argument is stupid.


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Remember when killing the gays was celebrated?
When was this?
When they were being stoned


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Remember when killing the gays was celebrated?
When was this?
About the same time as slavery.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If you didn't know who the Atheists of the forum were, you do now.
Excuse you.
I'm agnostic.
>implying there's a difference


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I neither fear, nor despise.
If you didn't know who the Atheists of the forum were, you do now.
Excuse you.
I'm agnostic.
>implying there's a difference
Let's not >_>


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If you didn't know who the Atheists of the forum were, you do now.
Excuse you.
I'm agnostic.
>implying there's a difference
relevant
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Lol, Jim was making some of the worst arguments in favour of nihilism that I've ever seen.


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Lol, Jim was making some of the worst arguments in favour of nihilism that I've ever seen.
yer mum was making some of the worst arguments in favor of not sucking my dick last night ;D

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yeah that was awful I'm sorry


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If you didn't know who the Atheists of the forum were, you do now.
Excuse you.
I'm agnostic.
>implying there's a difference
Let's not >_>
What? The two are pretty much divorced. 

You can't be an agnostic and not an atheist if you're also not a theist, because their exists a philosophical partition.

I'm just pointing out the confusion, not throwing caution and decency to the wind.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Lol, Jim was making some of the worst arguments in favour of nihilism that I've ever seen.
You suck dick at reading comprehension, then, because I'm not in favor of nihilism.
From the first few pages I could be bothered to read of the exchange, you were essentially arguing that if God doesn't exist then there is no objective meaning and subjective meaning cannot be created by dint of being meaningless a priori.

Now, while you may not yourself be nihilistic, that's one of the most implicitly nihilistic things I've read in a while.


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a stupid thing to argue about.
That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If you didn't know who the Atheists of the forum were, you do now.
Excuse you.
I'm agnostic.
>implying there's a difference
Let's not >_>
What? The two are pretty much divorced. 

You can't be an agnostic and not an atheist if you're also not a theist, because their exists a philosophical partition.

I'm just pointing out the confusion, not throwing caution and decency to the wind.
An atheist outright denies the existence of a god where as an agnostic acknowledges the possibility of there being one. How are they the same?
Your definition of an atheist is mostly wrong. While you get some strong atheists on the fringe who assert that, most (and all serious) atheists simply don't affirm a belief in god.



 
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a stupid thing to argue about.
That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.
I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?
The primary issue for me is a psychological one. Subjective meanings have the capacity to motivate and emote their holders, and since there is no sort of continued experience it doesn't matter that they might be forgotten. They still motivate the agent in such a span of time that it, as far as it matters, makes it permanent.

Also, truth isn't predicated on some metaphysical conception of meaning. You could be correct in saying that subjective meaning is meaningless a priori, but that doesn't make the existence of a God any more likely.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Either way, I'm still not an atheist.
Except you are by definition. If you lack faith in God you're an atheist. Whether or not you're agnostic AS WELL is philosophically disconnected.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
a stupid thing to argue about.
That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.
I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?
The primary issue for me is a psychological one. Subjective meanings have the capacity to motivate and emote their holders, and since there is no sort of continued experience it doesn't matter that they might be forgotten. They still motivate the agent in such a span of time that it, as far as it matters, makes it permanent.

Also, truth isn't predicated on some metaphysical conception of meaning. You could be correct in saying that subjective meaning is meaningless a priori, but that doesn't make the existence of a God any more likely.
I'll bet you're one of those people that denies the existence of pansexuality and writes it off as bisexuality. Just because they're slightly different but still very similar, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Except I don't do that and didn't come close to arguing that. 

I also think you quoted the wrong post.


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Assumptions assumptions.
You can be an atheist and spiritual. . . Theravada Buddhists manage it quite well.

So, I'll ask you directly. Do you believe that a deity of any description exists?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
a stupid thing to argue about.
That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.
I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?
The primary issue for me is a psychological one. Subjective meanings have the capacity to motivate and emote their holders, and since there is no sort of continued experience it doesn't matter that they might be forgotten. They still motivate the agent in such a span of time that it, as far as it matters, makes it permanent.

Also, truth isn't predicated on some metaphysical conception of meaning. You could be correct in saying that subjective meaning is meaningless a priori, but that doesn't make the existence of a God any more likely.
The first half I don't agree with, because to me it still seems meaningless.
Yet where I coming from that looks solidly like a subjective meaning repudiating other subjective meanings.