Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 06:28:21 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 06:25:33 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 05:30:07 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 05:28:25 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 05:17:56 PM

For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.

So consent is the only measure for morality??

Um, duh. Especially when dealing with things that can't give consent. But when you're dealing with humans, it's pretty cut and dry.

But a parent's job, the very definition of parenthood, is to take care of your child and make sure they grow up into a good person

So that would be ok to destroy in the name of consent?

Are you trolling? Gay, single-parent, and polygamous households can all raise children just as well as standard ones. Is it more work? Probably. But a someone who is able to express their love and be themselves is going to be a better, happier parent than someone who's forced to repress themselves and be stuck in a loveless marriage. The fact you think the second option is preferable to the child is laughable and cruel.

Actually that would be wrong

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/health/study-examines-effect-of-having-a-gay-parent.html?_r=0

There are differences in a homosexual household vs a traditional household

I wouldn't know about polygamous households but I would assume the kids would be more confused due to the amount of parent figures in the house
Or if not, then seeing their father showing love to women other than their mom wouldn't fare too well on the kids

Of course the fact that whether a couple is gay or not isn't the only factor in raising kids
I think that the relationship between child and parent is the most important thing
But to saying there is no difference between gay and traditional households is ignorant

Also
If you think that a single parent can raise a child as well as a couple (gay or traditional), you can go fuck yourself

It sounds like you're basing your opinion off of your own intuition instead of actual facts

Sure if someone can love their child romantically and still be able to raise them well, that's great
But you know perfectly well that the parent would treat the child more like a romantic partner instead of a child they need to raise

Quote from: Verbatim on March 30, 2016, 06:29:54 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 05:15:16 PM

You guys actually think there's nothing morally wrong with incest?

Of course not. Just because it's gross doesn't make it immoral.

Quit being a little kid.

But it is
The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them

Incest

I like it

Quote from: Verbatim on March 30, 2016, 07:06:57 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 06:55:06 PM

But it is
The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them

And once the child is raised, there is literally nothing wrong with having sex with them. Nothing.

Until you start getting each other pregnant. That's bad.

Incest

I like it

I don't see how you can raise a child and be their romantic partner at the same time

But then we have a society without values
A society where anything goes

When I'm talking about an incestuous relationship, I'm not referring to a pedophillic relationship. I'm talking adult siblings or adult child/adult parent. It has nothing to do with raising kids.

In my post at the top of this page, I was talking about homosexual relationships. And if you're not talking about forcing gay people to go hetero, then what the fuck is the point of this argument? People are born gay, just like they're born black or female. Even if the statistics said that gay parents have a zero percent chance of raising a healthy kid, they still have the right to raise a kid.

Gay, single-parent, and polygamous households can all raise children just as well as standard ones.

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And there's literally nothing wrong with that.

In general, people who put "muh society's well being" over individual rights are scum.

The "family structure" isn't even necessarily a good thing to begin with. Breaking it isn't bad in any way. This is the same argument people used to use to say that women getting jobs was immoral.

That statement is 100% right. Regardless of these broad statistics all the bigots circlejerk over, gay parents and single parents can raise perfectly happy, healthy kids.

In general, people who put "muh society's well being" over individual rights are scum.

Veganism is in-line with consent-based morality. If you could ask a cow if you could use its milk, or ask a chicken if it wants to be butchered, and they both said "yes," then you could justify doing those things.

But you can't, so that's why it's not okay to consume animal products.

The same goes for any action involving two parties. You must have consent at all times in order to do anything with another person. At the very least, you must be absolutely certain that the individual wouldn't mind, like throwing a surprise birthday party or something like that.

I hate all these people who are willing to stampede over human rights in the name of progress.

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 07:47:24 PM

Except it is literally biology that a child is raised best in a traditional household

A child who is "raised best" doesn't exist. No upbringing is perfect, and I love how all of these gay bashers are silent when it comes to all the shitty heterosexual households out there.

And besides, morality > biology

You can't tell a straight person "you should do this", turn around and tell a gay person "you shouldn't do this", and still be in the right.