That fish getting chomped in half by a shark isn't okay with it. That protozoa being consumed by an amoeba isn't okay with it. That cow thrown into a grinder to make us food isn't okay with it.
And I fail to see why it regresses our intelligence, either.
Just because we have the capacity to kill only plants instead of animals doesn't mean that we have to. I'd actually like to enjoy my meals, you know?
We are naturally gluttonous, just like every other organism. And nothing will ever change that.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 11, 2015, 05:54:58 AMThey serve their purposeAny proof that that's their purpose?Do you believe in God? If so, we can stop having this discussion now, because I won't have a discussion about ethics with some religious kook.QuoteIf there's any sacrifice better than keeping us from starving, I'd love to hear it.They're called fucking "apples," guy.Boom.QuoteThat's implying there's an animal smarter than a human, which there isn't.You're missing the point again, unsurprisingly. I'm not surprised at all to know you don't understand the purpose of a hypothetical scenario. I should've used the word "if" instead of "when", but then again, maybe you should just be smart enough to know that that's what I meant.
They serve their purpose
If there's any sacrifice better than keeping us from starving, I'd love to hear it.
That's implying there's an animal smarter than a human, which there isn't.
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:23:57 AMThat fish getting chomped in half by a shark isn't okay with it. That protozoa being consumed by an amoeba isn't okay with it. That cow thrown into a grinder to make us food isn't okay with it....Exactly. Thanks for making the argument for me. Yes, sharks are pieces of shit.Except protozoans and amoebas aren't fucking sentient, so that example was just plain stupid.QuoteAnd I fail to see why it regresses our intelligence, either.Because we don't have to resort in taking the life of another feeling, sentient being--taking it--for our petty desires. We don't have to kill animals to survive anymore. There are worthy alternatives. Arguably more healthy ones. The only argument you can possibly make is, "it tastes good." Which isn't an argument, but a concession to one's own selfish pusillanimity. Their addiction.It's an insult to our fucking intelligence.We don't need to kill animals anymore, and it causes a fuckton of suffering for them, so why not stop doing it.QuoteJust because we have the capacity to kill only plants instead of animals doesn't mean that we have to. I'd actually like to enjoy my meals, you know?Is that what it's about? You? Your personal enjoyment? Your personal enjoyment is worth the suffering of millions of sentient creatures.No, it isn't.QuoteWe are naturally gluttonous, just like every other organism. And nothing will ever change that.3% of adults in the US identify as vegetarians, and 1% of that 3% are vegans. Not a large figure, but it's there. And that's just the US.They represent living examples of people who prove you wrong.I am a living example of someone who proves you wrong.Nothing will ever change that? I did change it.
It kind of eliminates the possibility. An organism from another planet, another planet would be so drastically different that we couldn't even begin to imagine it. It would have evolved (or maybe even something else) completely separate from us. So I fail to see why it would even entertain the thought of consuming organisms from another planet.
There's nothing wrong with it. Do what you like. But I'm going to keep eating animals. The only wrong thing is you think you're right and we're scumbags for eating food. Get over it.
Right, but they're not heartless. In fact, rarely does an animal kill another animal if isn't for food or territory.
No, I'm not religious. And yes, it's their purpose. They have no other reason to exist but to die for us.
Apples? LOL no. Meat provides us with nutrients that veggies can't.
I understand hypothetical scenarios, it's just they're fucking retarded and completely pointless because they won't happen. So there's no reason to take them seriously.
But amoebas still eat other organisms, even if they aren't sentient.
It's natural. You say it as if it's a bad thing.
Not to mention most of the animals we use for food were bred over thousands of years for that specific purpose.
If carnivores had functioning brains capable of rationality, they'd recognize that killing things is bad, and they'd probably feel remorse over their kills.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 11, 2015, 07:35:41 AMNo, I'm not religious. And yes, it's their purpose. They have no other reason to exist but to die for us.No proof.QuoteApples? LOL no. Meat provides us with nutrients that veggies can't.You're forgetting grains, nuts, legumes, and vitamins.QuoteI understand hypothetical scenarios, it's just they're fucking retarded and completely pointless because they won't happen. So there's no reason to take them seriously.You're only not taking it seriously because it completely destroys your argument.
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:38:00 AMNot to mention most of the animals we use for food were bred over thousands of years for that specific purpose.AND THAT'S FUCKING HORRIBLEDO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW FUCKING HORRIBLE THAT IS
If they were as intelligent as us, do you even think they'd give one fuck what we think is right or wrong?
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:44:11 AMIf they were as intelligent as us, do you even think they'd give one fuck what we think is right or wrong?Yes. Because they'd be as intelligent as us.
No proof? I think the meat industry disproves that.
And what about those? They provide different nutrients.
It destroys any reason to take you seriously, sure. Hypothetical scenarios can't do shit because they're hypothetical and don't match reality. Therefore, it's retarded and meaningless and you have nothing to rely on but hypothetical fantasies
I wouldn't kill a chimp and eat him, but I'd kill a cow. That's about as humane and respectful killing gets, because at the end of the day I'm ending a creature's life to extend my own.
But you see, they'd still have different brains from us.
If they could kill me, sure. I wouldn't call it their right, but if they have the power to do so, tough cookie.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 11, 2015, 07:44:32 AMNo proof? I think the meat industry disproves that.How the fuck does the meat industry prove that?Slave owners proved that the only thing blacks are good for is slavery, then. That's your logic.QuoteAnd what about those? They provide different nutrients. They cover literally everything that you need. Meat is redundant and unneeded.QuoteIt destroys any reason to take you seriously, sure. Hypothetical scenarios can't do shit because they're hypothetical and don't match reality. Therefore, it's retarded and meaningless and you have nothing to rely on but hypothetical fantasiesYou're such a bad troll.
Actually their brains could be incredibly different from ours. Not to mention their environment, culture, society. Even if they were humanoids with similar brains they'd be extremely different.
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:48:06 AMBut you see, they'd still have different brains from us. No, they wouldn't. A brain is a brain. Do you understand biology? At all?
I wouldn't attack you for enjoying vegetables.
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:58:13 AMI wouldn't attack you for enjoying vegetables.There's no rational statement to be made against eating vegetables. My entire contention is suffering--you are perpetuating, supporting, promoting the suffering of sentient beings. That's the statement you're making as a meat-eater. I'm saying that's wrong. I don't "attack" meat-eaters, I argue with them. And when they act like selfish cunts, I tell them what they are.PSI fucking hate vegetables.
Quote from: Numb Digger on January 11, 2015, 07:58:13 AMI wouldn't attack you for enjoying vegetables.There's no rational statement to be made against eating vegetables. My entire contention is suffering--you are perpetuating, supporting, promoting the suffering of sentient beings. That's the statement you're making as a meat-eater. I'm saying that's wrong. I don't "attack" meat-eaters, I argue with them. And when they act like selfish cunts, I tell them what they are.
Quote from: challengerX on January 11, 2015, 07:55:18 AMActually their brains could be incredibly different from ours. Not to mention their environment, culture, society. Even if they were humanoids with similar brains they'd be extremely different. The argument being made is that they'd be just as intelligent as us. If the most intelligent person you could ever think of is not a vegan, you're doing it wrong.
No.
Worst thing you've done to an animal?
