Quote from: OhMeOhMy on February 24, 2015, 10:32:17 AMQuote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 10:23:54 AMQuote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 24, 2015, 09:59:10 AMDamn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?Cops are trained to shoot to kill.Shoot to stop actually. Stop the life-threatening crime that the target individual is committing. Once the individual stops (and the threat is no longer present) then they are trained/obligated to cease fire, assess the situation, restrain the threat and render aid (in a reasonable and safe manner). Killing the subject can be the outcome, but it is not the goal.Right, and by "stop" you should mean "kill." A citizen can legally sue a cop for bodily injury if the person shot were to survive, which is why cops are trained to use their gun only if their life or someone else's life is in danger.My dad's a cop, in fact, that's how I know this.
Quote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 10:23:54 AMQuote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 24, 2015, 09:59:10 AMDamn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?Cops are trained to shoot to kill.Shoot to stop actually. Stop the life-threatening crime that the target individual is committing. Once the individual stops (and the threat is no longer present) then they are trained/obligated to cease fire, assess the situation, restrain the threat and render aid (in a reasonable and safe manner). Killing the subject can be the outcome, but it is not the goal.
Quote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 24, 2015, 09:59:10 AMDamn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?Cops are trained to shoot to kill.
Damn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?
Quote from: Gatsby | The Symbiote on February 24, 2015, 01:02:30 PMI still think 4 shots is excessive. Ive read what you guys have said about protecting lives and shit.Fatsby pls, you wouldn't know how to protect a life if a Muslim was threatening to behead ur mum on the corner and ya had a gun in your hand
I still think 4 shots is excessive. Ive read what you guys have said about protecting lives and shit.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on February 24, 2015, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: Gatsby | The Symbiote on February 24, 2015, 01:02:30 PMI still think 4 shots is excessive. Ive read what you guys have said about protecting lives and shit.Fatsby pls, you wouldn't know how to protect a life if a Muslim was threatening to behead ur mum on the corner and ya had a gun in your handI'm not a cop I don't have to abide by an oath or that kind of bs
Quote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:13 PMQuote from: OhMeOhMy on February 24, 2015, 10:32:17 AMQuote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 10:23:54 AMQuote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 24, 2015, 09:59:10 AMDamn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?Cops are trained to shoot to kill.Shoot to stop actually. Stop the life-threatening crime that the target individual is committing. Once the individual stops (and the threat is no longer present) then they are trained/obligated to cease fire, assess the situation, restrain the threat and render aid (in a reasonable and safe manner). Killing the subject can be the outcome, but it is not the goal.Right, and by "stop" you should mean "kill." A citizen can legally sue a cop for bodily injury if the person shot were to survive, which is why cops are trained to use their gun only if their life or someone else's life is in danger.My dad's a cop, in fact, that's how I know this.I think shoot to neutralize is a better term. The threat is stopped and either the perp is wounded or dead, but you don't know which he'll be after you're done neutralizing him. If it was shoot to kill, they'd make sure he's dead, but that's not the case, is it?
Quote from: aTALLmidget on February 24, 2015, 01:08:22 PMQuote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:13 PMQuote from: OhMeOhMy on February 24, 2015, 10:32:17 AMQuote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 10:23:54 AMQuote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 24, 2015, 09:59:10 AMDamn. Shooting him did seem right in this situation, but 4 times?! That seem like a bit much to me. What happened to cops using tasers?Cops are trained to shoot to kill.Shoot to stop actually. Stop the life-threatening crime that the target individual is committing. Once the individual stops (and the threat is no longer present) then they are trained/obligated to cease fire, assess the situation, restrain the threat and render aid (in a reasonable and safe manner). Killing the subject can be the outcome, but it is not the goal.Right, and by "stop" you should mean "kill." A citizen can legally sue a cop for bodily injury if the person shot were to survive, which is why cops are trained to use their gun only if their life or someone else's life is in danger.My dad's a cop, in fact, that's how I know this.I think shoot to neutralize is a better term. The threat is stopped and either the perp is wounded or dead, but you don't know which he'll be after you're done neutralizing him. If it was shoot to kill, they'd make sure he's dead, but that's not the case, is it?They do make sure, that's why they shoot 3-4 times and then clear the area and mark it with "POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS." If the person miraculously survived being shot 3-4 times, I'm not sure what they do after that so I can't help you there.
>4-shotsEither those cops can't shoot, are sadists or that's one tough knife-wielding nigga
Ok I am currently at work and its cold as balls here. Looked out my window and saw police lights out front and two guys in the street. One of those two guys had a knife and was thrusting it towards the other guy. At that same time, the cop got out of his car with his weapon drawn on them! He then shot the guy with the knife! About 4 frikin times!!!!! Holy shit!
Right, and by "stop" you should mean "kill." A citizen can legally sue a cop for bodily injury if the person shot were to survive, which is why cops are trained to use their gun only if their life or someone else's life is in danger.My dad's a cop, in fact, that's how I know this.
Take a moment now to go over what you saw, recollect it clearly, even write down now what you know that you saw (memory is a funny thing and our brains try to add detail that we didn't actually experience)
Quote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:13 PMRight, and by "stop" you should mean "kill." A citizen can legally sue a cop for bodily injury if the person shot were to survive, which is why cops are trained to use their gun only if their life or someone else's life is in danger.My dad's a cop, in fact, that's how I know this.No, by stop, I mean stop. Not "shoot to kill" and not "shoot to wound". Stop. End the threat. An individual's intent when they pull the trigger (civilian or LEO) is critical, especially when the case is reviewed by prosecutors or ends up in court.Feel free to ask your dad if he is trained to "shoot to kill" and has he ever given such a reply when testifying or in court."Shoot to stop" is about targeting/hitting center-mass until the target is no longer a threat. That is stop. Yes, death can occur in that situation, but it not the explicit goal."Shoot to kill" would mean that the goal is to not stop, but to immediately end the life of the subject and the target would then change from center-mass to their core-nervous system (aka head). If an officer were to testify that they aimed and fired with an intended goal of killing the subject, they would likely be charged with homicide. They wouldn't be cops, they would be executioners.No LEO that I know would EVER say "I shoot to kill". So please, double-check with your dad.
Quote from: OhMeOhMy on February 24, 2015, 08:53:35 AMTake a moment now to go over what you saw, recollect it clearly, even write down now what you know that you saw (memory is a funny thing and our brains try to add detail that we didn't actually experience)This is literally the best thing you could've said, given your avatar.
I asked "do cops 'shoot to kill' or 'shoot to stop?'" His response is this: Spoiler
Quote from: CK97 on February 24, 2015, 02:00:25 PMI asked "do cops 'shoot to kill' or 'shoot to stop?'" His response is this: SpoilerThank you for asking and sharing his reply. It's a careful distinction and a fine line, but one that he clearly understands.As I said, shooting to stop does risk the death of the subject, but the intent is to stop them, if they die while being stopped? Well, that is an outcome, but not the specifically intended one.If their intended goal was to kill, then they would walk up to the person on the ground and put one into their skull "just to make sure".
Quote from: Sprungli on February 24, 2015, 01:39:52 PM>4-shotsEither those cops can't shoot, are sadists or that's one tough knife-wielding niggaCan't tell if srs
*walks in**sees the debate*lmfao*walks out*
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