It's fucking retarded anyway. The fucking Indians own no rights to the lands that the line traveled and all of the actual land owners signed easement leases.
It's the wrong decision today, which is why this outcome was not the right decision a month ago.

Oh fuck off Charlie
Race had nothing to do with it
General rule of thumb is that you do not fuck with veterans
America will fucking eat you alive
Just ask Hoover

Plus let's not pretend the protests were peaceful either
They have literally shot bullets at the police

There are already numerous other gas and oil lines going through the same corridor, and it wasn't going through Sioux land. The whole situation was fucked, and it was largely fueled by media looking for another story of oppression to happen. Bear in mind this tribe skipped out on meetings to voice their protests for a year.

But yeah, big oil is full of racist meanies.

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Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 04, 2016, 08:48:23 PM

It's fucking retarded anyway. The fucking Indians own no rights to the lands that the line traveled and all of the actual land owners signed easement leases.
It's the wrong decision today, which is why this outcome was not the right decision a month ago.

Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on December 05, 2016, 01:06:55 AM

Oh fuck off Charlie
Race had nothing to do with it
General rule of thumb is that you do not fuck with veterans
America will fucking eat you alive
Just ask Hoover

Plus let's not pretend the protests were peaceful either
They have literally shot bullets at the police

Quote from: HubbleTurkeyscope on December 05, 2016, 04:35:59 AM

There are already numerous other gas and oil lines going through the same corridor, and it wasn't going through Sioux land. The whole situation was fucked, and it was largely fueled by media looking for another story of oppression to happen. Bear in mind this tribe skipped out on meetings to voice their protests for a year.

But yeah, big oil is full of racist meanies.

These are both hideously incorrect memes. Nice apologetics, corporatist shills.

1) The tribes made their opinions on the pipeline clear by not showing up to the meetings. Civil disobedience is a valid form of free speech. USG thus had zero grounds to unilaterally approve it anyway.

2) Regardless of who sold what, it still does not give the government or anybody else free reign to bulldoze as they see fit.

3) In what's likely an admission of guilt that ND acted wrongly, the state tried and failed to prosecute the journalist who broke the story. Prosecuting journalists for doing their work *completely legally* is something that happens in autocracies.

4) >le a few people misbehave so let's take out the hoses and rubber bullets in near-freezing weather

Congrats on having so much in-common ideologically with the Third Reich. I'm surprised you're not jumping on the couch over President Trump considering it'll be the oppressive police state you've always wanted. If you think any of this is acceptable, it's time to look in the mirror and re-evaluate where you politics really lie.

I doubt anyone agrees with the decision to run a pipeline over an aquifer and burial ground

What we're saying is that the tribes didn't handle it appropriately beforehand and they're not handling it appropriately now

Skipping out on the opportunity to literally tell them what they want and don't want is not civil disobedience

Civil disobedience happens when the government won't listen to you but in this case they were literally inviting them to tell them their concerns

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on December 05, 2016, 09:24:07 AM

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Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 04, 2016, 08:48:23 PM

It's fucking retarded anyway. The fucking Indians own no rights to the lands that the line traveled and all of the actual land owners signed easement leases.
It's the wrong decision today, which is why this outcome was not the right decision a month ago.

Quote from: Infinitely Arctic on December 05, 2016, 01:06:55 AM

Oh fuck off Charlie
Race had nothing to do with it
General rule of thumb is that you do not fuck with veterans
America will fucking eat you alive
Just ask Hoover

Plus let's not pretend the protests were peaceful either
They have literally shot bullets at the police

Quote from: HubbleTurkeyscope on December 05, 2016, 04:35:59 AM

There are already numerous other gas and oil lines going through the same corridor, and it wasn't going through Sioux land. The whole situation was fucked, and it was largely fueled by media looking for another story of oppression to happen. Bear in mind this tribe skipped out on meetings to voice their protests for a year.

But yeah, big oil is full of racist meanies.

These are both hideously incorrect memes. Nice apologetics, corporatist shills.

1) The tribes made their opinions on the pipeline clear by not showing up to the meetings. Civil disobedience is a valid form of free speech. USG thus had zero grounds to unilaterally approve it anyway.

2) Regardless of who sold what, it still does not give the government or anybody else free reign to bulldoze as they see fit.

3) In what's likely an admission of guilt that ND acted wrongly, the state tried and failed to prosecute the journalist who broke the story. Prosecuting journalists for doing their work *completely legally* is something that happens in autocracies.

4) >le a few people misbehave so let's take out the hoses and rubber bullets in near-freezing weather

Congrats on having so much in-common ideologically with the Third Reich. I'm surprised you're not jumping on the couch over President Trump considering it'll be the oppressive police state you've always wanted. If you think any of this is acceptable, it's time to look in the mirror and re-evaluate where you politics really lie.

I doubt anyone agrees with the decision to run a pipeline over an aquifer and burial ground

What we're saying is that the tribes didn't handle it appropriately beforehand and they're not handling it appropriately now

Skipping out on the opportunity to literally tell them what they want and don't want is not civil disobedience

Civil disobedience happens when the government won't listen to you but in this case they were literally inviting them to tell them their concerns

It may be the case that the tribes mishandled the situation, but I have to disagree with you otherwise. The state didn't need a meeting to figure out how the tribes felt about the pipeline. This situation should not hinge on a technicality.

1) The tribes made their opinions on the pipeline clear by not showing up to the meetings. Civil disobedience is a valid form of free speech. USG thus had zero grounds to unilaterally approve it anyway.

Surely you can see how ridiculous it is to sit out parts of a process spanning multiple years with the inclusion of 55 tribes, and then later claim to have been ignored. Tribes, including the ND Sioux, actively influenced the route of the pipeline.

2) Regardless of who sold what, it still does not give the government or anybody else free reign to bulldoze as they see fit.

You're right, it doesn't. There were three independent reviews that concluded there were no burial or cultural sites on the route. The route went through private property with easements from the owners, through an existing utility corridor which also had it's own cultural review. Because of the existing corridor, it's simply not possible for anything historic to be there. The land was already bulldozed and refilled. Again, this route was determined after hundreds of meetings with community and tribal representatives' input. It was not unilateral, and was designed to minimize water crossings. The project managers have also offered to reroute the Sioux water supply 50 miles further away (it is currently 20 miles away from the pipeline's crossing).

Fuck the federal government and all that, but this really does seem to be above board. It's an impossible situation at this point, since the entire pipeline is basically complete except for this spot, and further rerouting has been described as untenable.

Surely you can see how ridiculous it is to sit out parts of a process spanning multiple years with the inclusion of 55 tribes, and then later claim to have been ignored. Tribes, including the ND Sioux, actively influenced the route of the pipeline.

Despite all of this planning, the project still managed to run into problems. I can't speak for the tribes, but it sounds like they were wholly unprepared.

You're right, it doesn't. There were three independent reviews that concluded there were no burial or cultural sites on the route. The route went through private property with easements from the owners, through an existing utility corridor which also had it's own cultural review. Because of the existing corridor, it's simply not possible for anything historic to be there. The land was already bulldozed and refilled. Again, this route was determined after hundreds of meetings with community and tribal representatives' input. It was not unilateral, and was designed to minimize water crossings. The project managers have also offered to reroute the Sioux water supply 50 miles further away (it is currently 20 miles away from the pipeline's crossing).

Fuck the federal government and all that, but this really does seem to be above board. It's an impossible situation at this point, since the entire pipeline is basically complete except for this spot, and further rerouting has been described as untenable.

It wouldn't have to be like this if the USG were willing to stop construction before now, as opposed to like, prosecuting the people reporting on the situation. Their actions indicate to me that they just wanted to finish the deal as soon as they could with as little trouble as necessary. I believe that, similarly to how the courts assign public defenders to those without attorneys, the USG has an ethical obligation to ensure that each side can competently express their concerns and understand the decisions being made. As far as I can tell, they really didn't give a damn. This is on them.

Oh shit this isn't in serious



The Sioux are protesting so much you'd think the pipeline threatened their whiskey supply instead.

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 05, 2016, 10:22:22 AM

Lol kupo, you're such a faggot bitch boy.
Civil disobedience would be organizing a sit in full of protestors at the meetings, not blowing them off and refusing to voice your objections when the time is proper to do so.

what is a boycott

Quote from: HubbleTurkeyscope on December 05, 2016, 10:29:40 AM

Oh shit this isn't in serious



The Sioux are protesting so much you'd think the pipeline threatened their whiskey supply instead.

ew, whiskey

A refusal to purchase/provide goods or a service from a specified group or individual, typically fueled by a conflict of beliefs.

I cant boycott an eminent domain hearing and then get all pissy when a bulldozer shows up in my driveway.