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https://soundcloud.com/pekingduk/saymyname

Wadda you guys make of this.

I think it's catchy as shit
It's alright. Not really experimental, though.
I'm not sure why I even posted it, I knew it wasn't that experimental.

I just didn't really have anywhere else to put a "Look at this neat song I found" post.

My eagerness got the better of me.


 
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I THINK IMPROVISATION SOUNDS FUCKING COOL.
because you're dumb and you have shit taste, and now i'm going to explain why
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I can't begin to understand why someone would like him as a character, no matter how well they articulate their opinion.
i can't imagine why you want me to explain myself then, because no matter how well i articulate myself, you're never going to be smart enough to realize that improvisation is for autistic idiots with no taste in music

you're never gonna figure that out--so why try

huh, that's a good question
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I have already told you how improvisational music makes me feel, and why I like it.
no you haven't

anyway, improvisation is objectively bad in music for very simple and obvious reasons

the number of unique songs (of artistically-reasonable length) we can create is finite--so to is the number of note arrangements, but only a small fraction of those arrangements will sound enjoyable to the average person

in other words, we can arrange notes in many, many, many, different ways, but only some of them have value

finding a string of notes that sound good when played together is impressive--creating a song filled with good-sounding arrangements is even more impressive, because there's not too many arrangements available that will sound very good to us, so the effort put in to constructing that piece of music has value

that's composed music

then you have improvisation

instead of playing notes that sound right when played together, the artist instead chooses to play whatever notes that he "feels" are right--and this, somehow, is supposed to make the music itself sound good, despite the fact that it doesn't--which is a contradiction

on the off-chance that the improvisational artist plays a string of notes that actually DO sound good together, this is far less impressive than the artist who composes his music carefully, piece by piece, with focus--it's akin to a small child learning the alphabet, fucking the entire thing up, but managing to put one or two letters in the proper order, like, BCDEFASMTASZER--which is completely and totally wrong, but hey, at least B, C, D, E, and F are all in the right order!

no one rational finds that impressive, though--it's, objectively, nonsense
and no one should enjoy it

your whole argument is based around this stupid "improvisation is good because improvisation is good" argument

which doesn't help me understand the appeal of improvisation at all, and just makes you sound like a dumbass

You have absolutely NO CLUE what goes into studying improvisation, so you are incapable of forming an argument against it. You don't know what chord changes are, you don't know what an altered chord is, you don't know how to improvise
>he honestly think any of this matters

i mean, what a transparently shit argument

by your logic, since you have never written a review of anything in your life, you have no right to criticize any of my reviews

except that's stupid, because you totally have that right--my inability to create music does not preclude my ability to criticize what i'm hearing, you absolute shithead

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and I can tell you right now if you attempted to improvise (even if you were an accomplished piano player) it would sound like complete shit
yes, it would

because all improvisation is shit


 
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Plenty of pretentious assholes like experimental music solely because it is experimental.
They don't actually like the music and pretend they do to seem "cultured"
sounds a LOT like you


 
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I am officially never arguing with Verbatim about music again because it is frustrating and a waste of my time I could spend listening to music.
i understand

not all of us can handle being wrong


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instead of playing notes that sound right when played together, the artist instead chooses to play whatever notes that he "feels" are right--and this, somehow, is supposed to make the music itself sound good, despite the fact that it doesn't--which is a contradiction
This misinformed, ignorant, thickheaded, mindless statement is a prime example of why I refuse to argue with you any further.

If you want to continue arguing, I suggest you study up on music, as well as improvisation, and what makes something sound "good" as opposed to "bad".

Your understanding of these concepts is ridiculously flawed, and every musician worth their salt will disagree with you completely.
oh, no, i get it entirely--you're probably under this (bad & false) impression that music (as an art form) is not necessarily meant to be "enjoyed" by anybody, and that it's merely an expression of oneself, regardless of how anyone else feels about it

so, to you, i guess "good" improvisational music would have to involve the artist, uh... expressing himself "better" than the next guy, and what constitutes "better" for you will vary

in other words, whoever puts more "heart & soul" into their music, or some other dumb bullshit like that

i don't buy into any of that horseshit--i find no artistic value in how an artist expresses himself whatsoever

i care about what he's expressing, why he's expressing it, and sometimes, when it was expressed, and everything else is irrelevant

good songs aren't created accidentally, and improvisation is all about accident
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I worked with a local musician who almost won a grammy a year ago. He does a genre called "Delta Blues". What did we end up recording along with guitar and vocals? A bucket of water, an ashtray, and us doing crowd vocals.

We somehow made that bucket of water sound amazing. some experimental things like that work. The song in the OP though really isn't for me, I don't enjoy listening to it.



I disagree with Verb on improvisation to a point. If you basically improv a whole song and it sounds bad, the fact it was "improv" doesn't redeem it and make it quality. But to be able to pull out an amazing guitar solo, or take a song in a new direction while flying blind? Well that's how some songs get written, by the artist just playing what comes to mind.
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...Improvised songs don't have to be bad.


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This song was improvised, and it's quite fun to listen to.


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I wish more people would combine violins and classical instruments with rock like this band. Or this, for a more well known band.

I love listening to those kind of combinations of intruments you don't really see in most music now. I guess it's because I enjoy listening to soundtracks, so a lot of that kind of stuff has started influencing my taste in 'regular' music, too.
First song: I like this. Very ethereal, and the explosion towards the end is well-executed. The vocals sound great all throughout, and the visuals really helped. Not really something I'd care to give multiple listens, but I thought it was good.

Second song: I like Muse. This is another good song, but I prefer some of their other songs, like Uprising and Knights of Cydonia.

If you like violins in tandem with rock music, I'd recommend checking out Godspeed You! Black Emperor.

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Here's the first song. Good stuff. 10/10 album.

If you're intimidated by the length of it, don't worry--each track is divvied up into four or five movements each. It really gives you that soundtrack feel you're talking about.

Awesome. If you're ever interested in hearing more of their work, Firewall, Save Your Life and Louder Than Words or all particular favourites of mine ^^

I fucking love Muse. Black Holes and Revelations as a whole is a fantastic album, one of, if not the only albums I liked every song. Fucking great - Knights of Cydonia is easily the best track on it though. I wasn't as big on Resistance, but I do like Uprising and Resistance (song) from that one. If you liked Supremacy though, I'd check out Butterflies and Hurricanes, if you haven't listened to it already. It shares a lot of similar bond theme elements in it.

As for the song you linked, I'll check it out when I'm in college and listen to it while doing some work. The little bit I have listened to sounded cool, though.