Quote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
Quote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Does that include sex or what?
Quote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
Quote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsAre you hooting and hollering?
Quote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
Quote from: Snake on November 11, 2017, 09:51:41 AMQuote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure. so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.
Quote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure. so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.
Quote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 09:58:26 AMQuote from: Snake on November 11, 2017, 09:51:41 AMQuote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure. so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.i would say sex doesnt really serve much of a purpose either if youre against child birthi dont really care if you want to take care of your body, but if someone doesnt give a shit about living then health benefits are pointless.
There's a myriad of benefits to doing these things
Quote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantitiesmasturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficientand i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
Maybe not to the individual who doesn't give a shit about living, but being apathetic about your health can have detrimental effects to those around you. Medical bills, having to care for them at a certain point, emotional pain, etc.
You are welcome to substantiate the same benefits you'll get elsewhere with the same amount of effort. I'm particularly interested in things like improving your immune system, lowering the chance of prostate cancer, ridding yourself of disease-causing toxins building up in your urinary tract, reducing the risk of erectile dysfunction, improving the quality of sperm, relieving tension, helping people sleep and so on. I very much doubt that you'll be able to find something as easy, fun and quick that does all of those things at once.
And if all you get out of 30 minutes of sex or masturbation is 3-5 seconds of pleasure then you're doing something wrong.
The argument also seems to apply to just about everything. If you make the argument that video games aren't pointless because you get something out of it, then I'm sure there's things that'll achieve the same benefits.
Verbatim needs a girlfriend badly. I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, most people here do. Shit I know it'd make me a better person.
QuoteYou like sex, that's okay. But its benefits are minimal and can be achieved elsewhere via more intellectual pursuits, and none of those more intellectual pursuits have risk of pregnancy, which is the worst thing that could possibly happen ever.
You like sex, that's okay. But its benefits are minimal and can be achieved elsewhere via more intellectual pursuits, and none of those more intellectual pursuits have risk of pregnancy, which is the worst thing that could possibly happen ever.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 11, 2017, 10:27:51 AMQuote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantitiesmasturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficientand i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourseI know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.
- Re: Immune system improval—Fruit is fucking delicious, and eating lots of it (while cutting out less healthy foods from your system, like meat) can help improve your immune system. Quick, easy, fun. Exercise helps too, but that's an acquired taste in terms of how much fun you have doing it.- Re: Prostate cancer prevention—Once again, plant-based diets can help reduce your odds of prostate cancer, because fats absorbed from plants are much healthier than the fats you absorb from animals. Giving up meat may not be quick, easy, and fun for you, but it has the added benefit of being ethical, which obviously beats out everything else.- Re: Prevention of bacteria build-up—Literally just urinate. Drink lots of water. Bathe. Wear loose clothing. I really don't think there's such a colossal risk of this sort of thing happening, assuming you have decent hygiene.- Re: Improving sperm quality—This is not a benefit, lmao- Re: Relieving tension—This is by far the easiest. There's so many things you can do. You already play video games. You already consume lots of media entertainment. Maybe not so much anymore, since you're a busy guy, but still. That should give you some ideas. Get more rest. - Re: Helping sleep—Okay, you know what? If you were to masturbate exclusively to help you sleep, I actually wouldn't begrudge you that. Sleep is a tough one if you're not getting enough of it (or can't), and I think spending 20-30 minutes is a fair trade for getting your 8 hours of rest.
1O minutes a day
GeeIf only you can get all these benefits from some activity that only takes 1O minutes a day
Quote from: TBlocks on November 11, 2017, 11:01:02 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 11, 2017, 10:27:51 AMQuote from: Flee on November 11, 2017, 04:33:15 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 10, 2017, 07:09:38 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:37:25 PMQuote from: Snake on November 03, 2017, 09:22:09 PMQuote from: Flee on November 03, 2017, 09:20:43 PMDoes that include sex or what?It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless thingsBut there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantitiesmasturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficientand i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourseI know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.The risks are also pretty minimal in many relationships. Don't have STDs and use some form of protection, and the risks are almost completely gone.
Who else is gunna do No Fap November with me?
