Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:20:09 PMQuote from: Weed Commando on September 14, 2014, 04:19:07 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:15:51 PMI would like to see Mars colonised first, and maybe even within our lifetimes <.<Venus is a bit too far away at the moment, we'd need some kind of sci-fi breakthrough in Space travel for that to be feasible. Let alone the inhospitable atmosphere ._. Mars wouldn't be easy to colonise by any means but it would make it look like going camping compared to Venus.Eh, Venus is a lot closer to Earth than Mars it. But its problem is that if we change its atmosphere to be like Earth's (which would be really fucking difficult saying that it's 90 times thicker than Earth's), it could still be too hot to inhabit for long periods of times. Humans can tolerate cold a lot more than heat. Think about it, even a 20 degree increase on Earth, and everyone's gonna be dying from heatstroke.Fuck me I confused Venus with Neptune ;_;OH MY GOD FUCKING #SHREKT.
Quote from: Weed Commando on September 14, 2014, 04:19:07 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:15:51 PMI would like to see Mars colonised first, and maybe even within our lifetimes <.<Venus is a bit too far away at the moment, we'd need some kind of sci-fi breakthrough in Space travel for that to be feasible. Let alone the inhospitable atmosphere ._. Mars wouldn't be easy to colonise by any means but it would make it look like going camping compared to Venus.Eh, Venus is a lot closer to Earth than Mars it. But its problem is that if we change its atmosphere to be like Earth's (which would be really fucking difficult saying that it's 90 times thicker than Earth's), it could still be too hot to inhabit for long periods of times. Humans can tolerate cold a lot more than heat. Think about it, even a 20 degree increase on Earth, and everyone's gonna be dying from heatstroke.Fuck me I confused Venus with Neptune ;_;
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:15:51 PMI would like to see Mars colonised first, and maybe even within our lifetimes <.<Venus is a bit too far away at the moment, we'd need some kind of sci-fi breakthrough in Space travel for that to be feasible. Let alone the inhospitable atmosphere ._. Mars wouldn't be easy to colonise by any means but it would make it look like going camping compared to Venus.Eh, Venus is a lot closer to Earth than Mars it. But its problem is that if we change its atmosphere to be like Earth's (which would be really fucking difficult saying that it's 90 times thicker than Earth's), it could still be too hot to inhabit for long periods of times. Humans can tolerate cold a lot more than heat. Think about it, even a 20 degree increase on Earth, and everyone's gonna be dying from heatstroke.
I would like to see Mars colonised first, and maybe even within our lifetimes <.<Venus is a bit too far away at the moment, we'd need some kind of sci-fi breakthrough in Space travel for that to be feasible. Let alone the inhospitable atmosphere ._. Mars wouldn't be easy to colonise by any means but it would make it look like going camping compared to Venus.
Quote from: Weed Commando on September 14, 2014, 04:20:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:20:09 PMQuote from: Weed Commando on September 14, 2014, 04:19:07 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 14, 2014, 04:15:51 PMI would like to see Mars colonised first, and maybe even within our lifetimes <.<Venus is a bit too far away at the moment, we'd need some kind of sci-fi breakthrough in Space travel for that to be feasible. Let alone the inhospitable atmosphere ._. Mars wouldn't be easy to colonise by any means but it would make it look like going camping compared to Venus.Eh, Venus is a lot closer to Earth than Mars it. But its problem is that if we change its atmosphere to be like Earth's (which would be really fucking difficult saying that it's 90 times thicker than Earth's), it could still be too hot to inhabit for long periods of times. Humans can tolerate cold a lot more than heat. Think about it, even a 20 degree increase on Earth, and everyone's gonna be dying from heatstroke.Fuck me I confused Venus with Neptune ;_;OH MY GOD FUCKING #SHREKT.I cannot into space ;_;
Mars, and perhaps by extension, a few moons with the possibility of oceans beneath their ice, are the only chances we really have. But Venus is out of the question. It's atmosphere is both toxic,acidic, and dense like an ocean.The probes that they sent that made the journey and survived either melted from the heat and extreme corrosion in the clouds, or were crushed before they even hit the surface. Because of how thick it's atmosphere is, that means it's denser than ours, and the closer you get to the surface, the more oceans worht of weight you have sitting on top of you.Venus will likely never be set foot upon by us, any time soon.
Quote from: Korra on September 14, 2014, 05:57:44 PMMars and Europa.FTFY
Mars and Europa.
Quote from: Sandtrap on September 14, 2014, 02:42:02 PMMars, and perhaps by extension, a few moons with the possibility of oceans beneath their ice, are the only chances we really have. But Venus is out of the question. It's atmosphere is both toxic,acidic, and dense like an ocean.The probes that they sent that made the journey and survived either melted from the heat and extreme corrosion in the clouds, or were crushed before they even hit the surface. Because of how thick it's atmosphere is, that means it's denser than ours, and the closer you get to the surface, the more oceans worht of weight you have sitting on top of you.Venus will likely never be set foot upon by us, any time soon.Venus's upper atmosphere has temperature and pressure ranges very close to Earth. Since oxygen is a lifting gas in CO2 there have been proposals to have floating cities like Bespin. There wouldn't be problems with bone degration from low gravity and its a shorter trip from Earth.Why anyone would want to live in a balloon floating above boilng oceans of acid there is another matter, but its possible.
Quote from: AmishWolf on September 14, 2014, 07:16:55 PMMars seems way easier. I don't know how you could terraform Venus.Mainly a matter of removing it's current atmosphere, how to do that is sort of all conceptual at the moment.
Mars seems way easier. I don't know how you could terraform Venus.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2014, 07:21:43 PMQuote from: AmishWolf on September 14, 2014, 07:16:55 PMMars seems way easier. I don't know how you could terraform Venus.Mainly a matter of removing it's current atmosphere, how to do that is sort of all conceptual at the moment.Better chances than Venus at least. Although, Mars has it's own problems. The dust on mars is different than ours, since it's composed of different minerals and such. Storms on mars last months, whipping up sand into the air, again, for months. This sand/dust is incredibly fine, which means any machinery on mars in a storm or facing weather like this on a yearly basis will break down fast.And, there's the problem with thunder storms. All that dust and shit, particles rubbing around in the air makes so fucking nasty thunderstorms. Mars is cold, but it has it's own hot currents too. And I imagine if we started terraforming, this would only cause more troubles. Lighting and wind storms on mars would be fucking strong. Many times over what we have here.
Quote from: Sandtrap on September 14, 2014, 07:39:39 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on September 14, 2014, 07:21:43 PMQuote from: AmishWolf on September 14, 2014, 07:16:55 PMMars seems way easier. I don't know how you could terraform Venus.Mainly a matter of removing it's current atmosphere, how to do that is sort of all conceptual at the moment.Better chances than Venus at least. Although, Mars has it's own problems. The dust on mars is different than ours, since it's composed of different minerals and such. Storms on mars last months, whipping up sand into the air, again, for months. This sand/dust is incredibly fine, which means any machinery on mars in a storm or facing weather like this on a yearly basis will break down fast.And, there's the problem with thunder storms. All that dust and shit, particles rubbing around in the air makes so fucking nasty thunderstorms. Mars is cold, but it has it's own hot currents too. And I imagine if we started terraforming, this would only cause more troubles. Lighting and wind storms on mars would be fucking strong. Many times over what we have here.Not to mention a lack of a (strong) magnetic field, theorised to have been lost due to solidification of Mars' core. Even if we were able to get to the point of creating an atmosphere somehow on Mars, Solar radiation would just strip it off. Oh, and sunburn would be a bitch.
Mars is actually quite far off from colonization on a large scale than most know. If we had anything there, chances are we'd have to live in massive stations. It will be a long time before anyone can walk out on the surface of mars without a protective suit of any kind.And those moons out by the gas giants have their own troubles too. Jupiter puts out a fuck ton of radiation, so, again one of the moons people've been considering is off until we can find a way around that. And again, there's a terrain issue. As this particular moon orbits Jupiter, the fluctuations in gravity have a tidal effect on the moon. Instead of raising oceans however, the actual landmass shifts, rising and falling by about 300 feet. Building a structure to withstand that amount of tectonic activity is, almost impossible.And the one moon out by Neptune, although snowy and cold as fuck, has other problems. It's got some chemical composition in the snow different from our snow, and pockets of methane exist under the frozen snow. But there's enough light and heat, that when disturbed, either by heat or say, for example, somebody stepping on a pocket, that little bubble of methane and other gases explodes.People don't like to admit it, but really, all we really have is one world to call home in our system.
Which planet should be terraformed and colonized first: Venus or Mars?
