Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 12, 2015, 10:00:21 PM

a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something.

What motivates or encourages you to do the right thing instead of the wrong thing?

nothing

i just do the right thing

Because it's right?

Because it's right?

duh

when i say incentive, i'm obviously talking about quid pro quo type garbage
"i won't do the right thing unless i get something in return"

THAT'S someone who wants an incentive

i don't

What you get in return is moral satisfaction; the knowledge that you did the right thing.

being a vegan gives me no satisfaction whatsoever, actually

and either way--i don't demand it

that's another thing about incentives--they tend to be demanded
i don't demand satisfaction in return

I wasn't thinking. Sorry I let you down.

i appreciate your honesty

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 12, 2015, 10:07:30 PM

What you get in return is moral satisfaction; the knowledge that you did the right thing.

being a vegan gives me no satisfaction whatsoever, actually

Of course it does, otherwise you wouldn't be a vegan.

If you were to eat meat and you thought you were doing the wrong thing, you would lose moral satisfaction, and immediately know it.

If nothing else, your incentive would be this:
You will not feel bad because of your immorality, so long as you adhere to this code of conduct.

Classic religious tactics, because morals are a church trap.

Everything you do is incentive driven, whether you like the idea of it or not.

Of course it does, otherwise you wouldn't be a vegan.

i'm glad you know how i think better than i do

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 12, 2015, 10:12:04 PM

I don't need ice cream to survive.

you need food to survive
thanks for missing the point once again

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Ice cream has a net negative affect on my health despite containing nutrients that are good.
It does nothing for me.
It has no utility.

literally everything said here is wrong

prove that ice cream has a net negative "affect" on your health

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But somehow it's better than weed, for some reason. Its primary use is to taste good and make me feel better through the process of digestion in which the chemicals in the food trigger a dopamine release in my body. This isn't at all different from what weed does, you simply single it out because of your aversion to mind-altering substances in general.

is weed food?

no

The nutrients in ice cream are mostly fats and sugars. Those are bad for you. Are you seriously asking me to demonstrate that ice cream is unhealthy? Jesus Christ, Verb, you have the strongest self-serving bias I've ever seen.

Is weed food? Yes, it fucking is. You consume it, and one of the most popular (and healthy) methods is through edibles. So if I put that shit in ice cream, does it become utilitarian?

There are plenty of people who know how you think better than you do.

There's a whole science behind it.

and most of it is absolute hogwash

either way, you're ignoring the fact that i'm not even talking about those kinds of incentives

and you cut out the part where i stated that the incentives typically have to be demanded
and i don't demand anything in return for doing the right thing

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 12, 2015, 10:16:43 PM

There are plenty of people who know how you think better than you do.

There's a whole science behind it.

and most of it is absolute hogwash

either way, you're ignoring the fact that i'm not even talking about those kinds of incentives

and you cut out the part where i stated that the incentives typically have to be demanded
and i don't demand anything in return for doing the right thing

You're ignoring the fact that every action you take is fuelled by an incentive.
It doesn't matter if you're talking about physical incentives, the way you feel about something doesn't change what it is, especially if you weren't the one who brought it up (I brought up incentives).

If you had no incentive to work, you wouldn't.

Therefore, if you advocate a living cost of $0, you advocate inactivity and anti-utilitarianism, which are hallmarks of junkie society.

Tell me, have you ever had a job?
I remember once you said you hadn't, but I may be wrong.

If not, then you are an unproductive member of society and anti-utilitarian to those around you, and certainly don't deserve to demand that the pastimes of others be more utilitarian.

Aside from pain killers while I got my wisdom teeth taken out, never.

If you had no incentive to work, you wouldn't.

being a productive member of society

that's all the incentive anyone should ever need

that is not weed

those are brownies

just because the brownies contain weed doesn't make weed food

i can put anything in food
doesn't make it food

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If you had no incentive to work, you wouldn't.

being a productive member of society

that's all the incentive anyone should ever need

Yeah, let me know how how that's working for people who don't give a fuck.

And way to disregard everything you didn't have a counter-argument for... again.

You just said that ice cream is healthy and compared marijuana to nicotine.

I said neither of these things.

All you've done is misinterpret all of my points.

Happiness has no intrinsic utility.
Smoking weed is unforgivably stupid.
So is drinking alcohol, or doing any recreational drug ever.

Get over it.

You're very interesting, Solonoid.