Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. If you pull out a gun, the burglar will feel threatened and immediately shoot you. And in most liklihood, he'll know how to handle a gun better than you do.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMArmed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. If you pull out a gun, the burglar will feel threatened and immediately shoot you. And in most liklihood, he'll know how to handle a gun better than you do.In my experience, Hispanics will flee as soon as you level or one-up the playing field.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:11:50 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:14:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:11:50 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.Why should a parent teach something to a kid that has only a 1 in 1,000 chance in happening?And honestly, just locking your doors and windows is a more effective way to stop burglaries than is learning how to handle a gun. And it takes like 5 minutes to explain to a child how to lock windows and doors. While it would take months, if not years to properly train a kid how to use a gun.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:16:39 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:14:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:11:50 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.Why should a parent teach something to a kid that has only a 1 in 1,000 chance in happening?And honestly, just locking your doors and windows is a more effective way to stop burglaries than is learning how to handle a gun. And it takes like 5 minutes to explain to a child how to lock windows and doors. While it would take months, if not years to properly train a kid how to use a gun.1 out of a 1,000?.. Nah, that could never happen to me. Just like texting and driving won't ver get me into a wreck. Criminals can shoot out locks on doors, smash in windows. My parents taught me that too.. Wow.. those defenses stopped the seriously dangerous crimminal
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:18:35 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:16:39 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:14:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:11:50 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:53:46 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:49:10 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:45:08 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:34:23 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:30:12 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:29:15 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:27:31 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:21:35 PMQuote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 09:19:55 PMQuote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 09:17:06 PMWhy did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.That's because you started to so late! My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?Uhhh...No. I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.The shooting you part isn't true.Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever. Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brahHow about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.Why should a parent teach something to a kid that has only a 1 in 1,000 chance in happening?And honestly, just locking your doors and windows is a more effective way to stop burglaries than is learning how to handle a gun. And it takes like 5 minutes to explain to a child how to lock windows and doors. While it would take months, if not years to properly train a kid how to use a gun.1 out of a 1,000?.. Nah, that could never happen to me. Just like texting and driving won't ver get me into a wreck. Criminals can shoot out locks on doors, smash in windows. My parents taught me that too.. Wow.. those defenses stopped the seriously dangerous crimminalAnd why would the criminal go through all that trouble to shoot the lock or smash the window, both which are extremely loud and would probably wake up the entire neighborhood, when he could just go nextdoor to the house whose doors and windows are unlocked so he could waltz right in.
And even if he were dumb enough to smash the window or shoot the lock, it would wake you up and give you enough time to hide somewhere safe where he won't see you.Not to mention that texting and driving is a stupid comparison to make, since that is something you are doing. While a criminal seeking out your house is a random chance. Unless he's a hitman,
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PMWho seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gunNow you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.QuoteGetting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right nowThat's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
When I was young, 5, 6 or 7, my parents..
