Aliens

Quote from: FatherlyNick on October 20, 2015, 12:33:02 PM

Is Alien r rated?

yes

then that is my first r rated movie.

still spooks me

O_O

Quote from: ☠spoopy master☠ on October 20, 2015, 11:52:51 AM

Jaws, I think.

edit: nvm Jaws isn't r-rated

Wow, that's hard to believe. You'd think a thriller like that would be R for sure--especially in the mid-'70s.

I assumed it was r-rated when I made the post, but then I realized I wasn't actually sure and looked it up.

Sure enough, it's PG.

Starship Troopers.

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it still upsets me that kids are watching R-rated films without their parents' permission. Anyway, I digress:

Why?

Because they're not old enough. Duh.

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

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it still upsets me that kids are watching R-rated films without their parents' permission. Anyway, I digress:

Why?

Because they're not old enough. Duh.

What were to happen if they did watch an r-rated movie?

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 02:28:33 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 20, 2015, 02:23:53 PM

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 01:16:36 PM

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it still upsets me that kids are watching R-rated films without their parents' permission. Anyway, I digress:

Why?

Because they're not old enough. Duh.

What were to happen if they did watch an r-rated movie?

They would probably see stuff that they would be better off seeing if they were actually of age.

Kids don't need to be so desensitized to sex and violence as we adults are. And if you think they should be, then you're a disgusting fuckbag.

You're assuming kids are stupid assholes who can't think straight, and in most cases that's true, but there are the normal kids who are fine with watching violence and sex. Yes it affects them a bit badly, and takes up their time, but that applies to adults as well.

you're so fucking dumb oh my god

Resident Evil II

Watched Scarface with my older brother when I was 10. It became my favorite movie of all time after that.

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 02:40:48 PM

You're assuming kids are stupid assholes who can't think straight, and in most cases that's true,

So why the fuck are you arguing, then, fuckhead?

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 02:47:49 PM

Wait, what? Fuck that, Verbatim. Kids should be desensitized to sex and violence, because then it wouldn't be a huge thing, and they wouldn't get crazy ideas. Violence? That's damage to your body that your mind dislikes to experience because it's detrimental to your health. Instead of being scared of getting wounded, they'd be careful not to get wounded.

You don't have any idea what "desensitization" is, do you?

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Sex? Nowadays some fucked up kids discover porn and then go on to rape other kids, but if they were desensitized to it, they wouldn't do it, because they wouldn't feel strongly for it.

This isn't even an argument. It's just some retarded shit you pulled straight out of your ass.

Because I am the pedantic asshole who cares about why the 3% of a system is flawed, in an otherwise perfect system. 99% of kids is not an argument you can make with me, because the 1% are still kids.

I don't know, I think so.

In psychology, desensitization is defined as the diminished emotional responsiveness to a negative or aversive stimulus after repeated exposure to it. It also occurs when an emotional response is repeatedly evoked in situations in which the action tendency that is associated with the emotion proves irrelevant or unnecessary.

What I'm trying to say is that kids usually consider violence and such things as super cool stuff that isn't related to the limitations of physics, or fysiology. If this hype were to be toned down, or desensitized, there'd be room for more realistic assumptions and stuff.

It isn't a good argument, because I did pull it out of my ass, but it is relevant, and on point. The reason why some rape happens is because people value sex too highly, but desentisize it, and that reason for rape would disappear.

Lots of Aliens answers. I can't imagine watching Aliens before watching Alien.

I watched Alien later, because I found out that Aliens was a sequel, must've been 7 by that time. Contributed to my fear of the dark. :/

pretty sure it was saving private ryan

Quote from: Desty on October 20, 2015, 03:06:08 PM

Because I am the pedantic asshole who cares about why the 3% of a system is flawed, in an otherwise perfect system. 99% of kids is not an argument you can make with me, because the 1% are still kids.

It is an argument, because 99% of kids probably shouldn't be allowed to watch R-rated movies by themselves. If you're not an insane fuckazoid, you'll agree with me.

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What I'm trying to say is that kids usually consider violence and such things as super cool stuff that isn't related to the limitations of physics, or fysiology. If this hype were to be toned down, or desensitized, there'd be room for more realistic assumptions and stuff.

No. That's not desensitization. The reason kids "usually consider violence and such things as super cool stuff" is the direct result of desensitization. If you're desensitized to high degrees of gratuitous violence, you're more likely to think of it as "normal" or even "cool"--this isn't what we want children to think.

Toning it down would be preventing children from watching films intended for adults.

Which is why the rating system exists in the first place.

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It isn't a good argument, because I did pull it out of my ass, but it is relevant, and on point. The reason why some rape happens is because people value sex too highly, but desentisize it, and that reason for rape would disappear.

No. It would only normalize rape, and make it seem like rape is okay. Again--you don't understand what desensitization is.

A) You're an asshat. I've already agreed that most kids are stupid assholes who need someone to watch their steps for them, so no need to say stuff like "if you don't blah blah blah, you're a blah". That's something I'd read from a 5th grader.
Yeah, it's an argument, but it's not a good enough of an argument to convince me that all kids shouldn't be allowed to watch R-rated movies. I do agree with you that no kids should be allowed to go to the cinema and watch an r-rated movie without parental supervision, but just watching an r-rated movie at home is different. There's a moral obligation for the staff at the cinema to say no to the 1% of kids who are fine with watching r-rated movies, because 99% shouldn't watch the movie. At home however, the 1% can watch the movie in peace. Nobody loses.


B) and C) I believe that you're talking about mild desensitization, whereas I'm talking about a stronger desensitization.

Yeah, violence is cool because it's been desensitized, but go further and desensitize that feeling, and we're left with a kid who doesn't think violence is cool, but also a kid who isn't afraid of violence for no known reason. This kid would be afraid of violence because the kid would want to avoid damage, not because his mind can't handle it.

Yeah, instead of making rape a desired taboo, it'd be okay, and that's better. I think that rape is okay (watch this get quoted out of contex) because I think that we don't own our bodies, and it's essentially matter touching matter. That's my way of thinking about rape objectively in a world where feelings don't exist, and we're all bots.

What stops me from raping people is the fact that A) I have no right to B) The other person doesn't want to share their genital organ C) The other person would feel bad if I did in fact rape him/her and D) It's illegal

Kids are capable of understanding rules, and developing morals. Things that are making other people sad is bad, according to most normal kids, and this also applies to rape.

So it's Alpha vs Beta, where Alpha is the person who strongly doesn't want to think about raping someone else, because emotionally it's wrong; and where Beta is the person who is able to quickly reason why rape is bad, objectively. Personally, I'd wanna be Beta. I'd want to be so desensitized as to logically know why I shouldn't do things, rather than let my brain do all the work for me subconsciously like the most primitive of us humans.

A) You're an asshat. I've already agreed that most kids are stupid assholes who need someone to watch their steps for them

So there's no argument, then.