What matters to you most when it comes to games/movies/art?

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 12:59:08 PM

Be as specific as you want.

When it comes to games:

Gameplay > Characters (if it's a fighting game) > A sense of "soul," or an appreciation for "the little things"

[POWER GAP]

Themes, ideas, & messages > Overall design > Originality > Style, aesthetic, & atmosphere > Price

[POWER GAP]

Challenge > Heuristic gameplay (no hand-holding tutorials) > Music > Story > How female characters are portrayed

[POWER GAP]

Genre > Characters (non-fighting games) > Replay value > Controls > Lore > Animation > Acting

[POWER GAP]

For bad games, a capacity to be enjoyable despite being a bad game

[POWER GAP]

Setting/world = Customization = Graphics = Frame rate = Boring technical aspects = Historical accuracy = Premise

For movies:

Themes, ideas, messages > Symbolism > Imagery & cinematography > A sense of "soul," attention to detail

[POWER GAP]

Editing > Rewatchability > Usage of tropes & cliches

[POWER GAP]

Characters > Story > Score > Acting > Setting/world > Genre > Historical accuracy > Premise

[POWER GAP]

A capacity for bad movies to be so-bad-it's-good

Ásgeirr · August 01, 2017, 01:01:06 PM

Characters most of all, movies and games.

Elai · August 01, 2017, 01:05:24 PM

How much "soul" is in the game/movie/art. Things like attention to detail and consistency among the themes. Also, how true the product is to what the creator wanted.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM

This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.

August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM

This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM

Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.

And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.

Kill yourselves!

Jono · August 01, 2017, 02:23:00 PM

Everybody needs to watch Terminator 2 at least once in their life

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:23:02 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM

Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.
And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.

Media is not the sum of its parts, and just because a piece checks all the boxes you want checked doesn't mean its what you were looking for.

So no, when you look for things certain things in soomething, you're not experiencing something, you're just dissecting it.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:23:02 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.
And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.
Media is not the sum of its parts, and just because a piece checks all the boxes you want checked doesn't mean its what you were looking for.

So no, when you look for things certain things in soomething, you're not experiencing something, you're just dissecting it.

And that is the correct way to analyze and appreciate art.

And you're actually doing both, but the important part is the dissection of what made the experience work.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:28:01 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.
And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.
Media is not the sum of its parts, and just because a piece checks all the boxes you want checked doesn't mean its what you were looking for.

So no, when you look for things certain things in soomething, you're not experiencing something, you're just dissecting it.
And that is the correct way to analyze and appreciate art.

It's an atrocity against art.

Poets have waged war against such practices for decades.

A Cheese Potato · August 01, 2017, 02:29:18 PM

I would rather watch an interesting character do something boring, than a boring character do something interesting

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:30:08 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:28:01 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.
And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.
Media is not the sum of its parts, and just because a piece checks all the boxes you want checked doesn't mean its what you were looking for.

So no, when you look for things certain things in soomething, you're not experiencing something, you're just dissecting it.
And that is the correct way to analyze and appreciate art.
It's an atrocity against art.

Poets have waged war against such practices for decades.

And radical Muslims have waged war against Western values for decades. What is your point.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:30:36 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 01, 2017, 02:29:18 PM

I would rather watch an interesting character do something boring, than a boring character do something interesting

They're about equal for me.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:30:44 PM

And the specific thing that makes an experience work shouldn't be defined, because part of the appreciation is just knowing, internally, that something speaks to you.

Finding it's mouth degrades that feeling.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:32:14 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:30:44 PM

And the specific thing that makes an experience work shouldn't be defined, because part of the appreciation is just knowing, internally, that something speaks to you.

Finding it's mouth degrades that feeling.

Maybe for you. I guess I'm just smart enough to not allow that to happen.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:33:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:30:08 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: Vien on August 01, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
This is a fucking stupid thread.

You should appreciate things as a whole.
And you're both retards if you think that having a list of priorities means that you can't appreciate the whole.
Media is not the sum of its parts, and just because a piece checks all the boxes you want checked doesn't mean its what you were looking for.

So no, when you look for things certain things in soomething, you're not experiencing something, you're just dissecting it.
And that is the correct way to analyze and appreciate art.
It's an atrocity against art.

Poets have waged war against such practices for decades.
And radical Muslims have waged war against Western values for decades. What is your point.

Western values are shit.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:32:14 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:30:44 PM
And the specific thing that makes an experience work shouldn't be defined, because part of the appreciation is just knowing, internally, that something speaks to you.

Finding it's mouth degrades that feeling.
Maybe for you. I guess I'm just smart enough to not allow that to happen.

There's a reason an artist can never appreciate their own work.

If you feel like you can, you probably weren't smart enough to even understand someone else's art.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:39:17 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:30:44 PM
And the specific thing that makes an experience work shouldn't be defined, because part of the appreciation is just knowing, internally, that something speaks to you.

Finding it's mouth degrades that feeling.
Maybe for you. I guess I'm just smart enough to not allow that to happen.
There's a reason an artist can never appreciate their own work.

That has nothing to do with anything.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:41:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:39:17 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:30:44 PM
And the specific thing that makes an experience work shouldn't be defined, because part of the appreciation is just knowing, internally, that something speaks to you.

Finding it's mouth degrades that feeling.
Maybe for you. I guess I'm just smart enough to not allow that to happen.
There's a reason an artist can never appreciate their own work.
That has nothing to do with anything.

If you know all the parts of something intimately, you can't love it.

This isn't complicated, in fact it's just the opposite.

Pure and blissful simplicity.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:41:42 PM

If you know all the parts of something intimately, you can't love it.

This is the opposite of the truth.

The more intimately I know every detail of any work of art that I enjoy, I just love it even more.

This is why things like acting became extremely unimportant, because they're surface level.

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 02:48:55 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
If you know all the parts of something intimately, you can't love it.
This is the opposite of the truth.

The more intimately I know every detail of any work of art that I enjoy, I just love it even more.

You are autistic.

That's not a slight.
You're actually autistic.

This actually explains everything.

You don't understand chance, art, or work, and it all stems from this fundamental fact that you, because of autism, cannot appreciate the romance of beauty that is fleeting. The raw energy of mystery. Wonderment in it's simplest form.

To know is never enough.
Man yearns to ask and to wonder.

Aether · August 01, 2017, 02:52:17 PM

For all media: A story that draws me in, as well as an interesting setting.

In games specifically: A high skill gap, and replay-ability.

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 02:52:27 PM

Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:48:55 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Ossus on August 01, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
If you know all the parts of something intimately, you can't love it.
This is the opposite of the truth.

The more intimately I know every detail of any work of art that I enjoy, I just love it even more.
You are autistic.

That's not a slight.
You're actually autistic.

i'm not, though, so i guess you lose

enjoy being unable to appreciate art

Solonoid · August 01, 2017, 04:00:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 01, 2017, 02:52:27 PM

enjoy being unable to appreciate art

I'm sure you won't, but you might believe that's what enjoyment feels like.

Because of the autism.

Ásgeirr · August 01, 2017, 04:06:42 PM

hey guys wanna argue even more? Can good gameplay make up for shit story and characters?

Verbatim · August 01, 2017, 04:15:16 PM

Quote from: oss on August 01, 2017, 04:06:42 PM

hey guys wanna argue even more? Can good gameplay make up for shit story and characters?

It almost always does for me, yeah.

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True Turquoise · August 01, 2017, 04:56:40 PM

Games it depends, like for a shooter it would be
Gameplay > Characters > Lore > graphics
Because it's just about how it plays I guess.
But for fighters
Controls > characters > gameplay (controls?) > lore

I like great gameplay, if the game has a shit story but it's just fun to play, I'll generally stick around. Other way around is a little more rare. For big games
Story > characters > world > gameplay > graphics

The major factor for me are the games that don't hold your hand, I love them. Challenging games.

For movies I've got no clue

Story/writing > characters > Message
I guess