What do you think is the meaning of life?

Doctor Doom · January 15, 2015, 10:32:05 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 15, 2015, 10:28:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:27:50 PM
you guys shouldn't waste your time trying to counterargue, because i'm not arguing with you

there is no argument here

your meaning of life sucks
Okay? The sooner you learn that people have different opinions than you, the sooner you can fucking chill out for once.

It's funny. After he made a whole thread on Bnet about how he was going to change, after almost everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt, he goes and pulls his usual shit again. I wonder why I bothered asking if he could get back on BE after the mods realized the site was better off without him.

N/A · January 15, 2015, 10:33:59 PM

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January 15, 2015, 10:35:39 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: Z̼ͤ̓̒ͅḛ̸̻͉͙͚̤̌̔̉̍͘n̷̡͛͐͐ on January 15, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
Eh, nihilist, so...
well that's just dumb
I fail to see how. I acknowledge the fact that people are able to create their own meaning, it's just something I can'y do personally. I fail to see the point though, life itself has no intrinsic meaning. Every action you do is inconsequential.

Exactly. We just exist, there's no reason for it. Hence, why you should fill your life with as much happiness and pleasure as possible. That's all life is worth living for. But unlike others, I don't see that as an inherently depressing thing.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:35:59 PM

Quote from: Lord Keksworth on January 15, 2015, 10:32:05 PM

he goes and pulls his usual shit again.

mmmm, no, not at all, actually

you're just mad because i think you're stupid, especially if you honestly believe that reproduction is the "goal" of all living beings

and you obviously didn't understand what it was i was apologizing for

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:37:33 PM

Quote from: Z̼ͤ̓̒ͅḛ̸̻͉͙͚̤̌̔̉̍͘n̷̡͛͐͐ on January 15, 2015, 10:33:59 PM

Every action you do is inconsequential.

so how many people have you killed/raped/stolen from/etc.

i mean, it doesn't matter, right

Aether · January 15, 2015, 10:38:16 PM

Quote from: Z̼ͤ̓̒ͅḛ̸̻͉͙͚̤̌̔̉̍͘n̷̡͛͐͐ on January 15, 2015, 10:33:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:29:56 PM
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Eh, nihilist, so...
well that's just dumb
Every action you do is inconsequential.

That is true in the context of the grand scheme of things (at least regarding importance and not influence), but not exactly in the context of relativity. There's a whole lot of importance and meaning floating around the realm of subjectivity and recognizing its existence helps in establishing your own. You don't have to, but it can make life more interesting and give you motivation and purpose.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:39:18 PM

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:37:47 PM

however if it is another's purpose then that's their purpose. Because again, everyone makes their own purpose.

then that's just a shit purpose, and like you, something that i'd

"advise against" doing

N/A · January 15, 2015, 10:41:53 PM

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Aether · January 15, 2015, 10:43:10 PM

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:40:38 PM

We could also argue whether karma is an actual real thing, but I don't think that would actually go anywhere.

Karma is a real thing. It's also called 'action and reaction.' The idea that karma is some mystical supernatural force that dishes out punishment for bad deeds is just a misconception of the original meaning behind the concept.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:43:49 PM

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:40:38 PM

We could also argue whether karma is an actual real thing, but I don't think that would actually go anywhere.

well, it's not, so
there you go

it would be nice if it were, but it isn't

anyway

yes, it's a good thing that you believe that actions have consequences--but you need to be careful when describing "consequences" as "positive"... there's this neat little built-in negative connotation in the word "consequence" that i personally would not tamper with

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:45:38 PM

Quote from: Z̼ͤ̓̒ͅḛ̸̻͉͙͚̤̌̔̉̍͘n̷̡͛͐͐ on January 15, 2015, 10:41:53 PM

It does matter in the sense there is laws preventing me from doing so. Just because I think life has no meaning doesn't mean I want to be behind bars. Honestly, my views are weird on it. I acknowledge that there is no point, killing myself this very minute will be no different then waiting to die naturally. I just can't bring myself to ever do something like that though. Perhaps our very own hard-wiring of survival prevents me from doing so. I have a better explained post in serious of what I'm talking about. Give me a moment and I'll dig it up.

okay but, let me understand what you're saying here

if there were no laws, if we lived in anarchy, you would take advantage of that
you would kill/rape/steal from people?

you just said the only thing stopping you is your desire not to be behind bars
for me, it's a lot more than that

Assassin 11D7 · January 15, 2015, 10:45:44 PM

Right now my meaning in life is to see what shit Verby says that gets people mad.

Korra · January 15, 2015, 10:45:49 PM

To live it. Plain and simple.

But one could say that life's meaning can be found in death and death gets its meaning through life.

I personally see it that the cosmos made this possible for us, all of us. Might as sell make the best of it.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:48:00 PM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 15, 2015, 10:43:10 PM

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:40:38 PM
We could also argue whether karma is an actual real thing, but I don't think that would actually go anywhere.
Karma is a real thing. It's also called 'action and reaction.' The idea that karma is some mystical supernatural force that dishes out punishment for bad deeds is just a misconception of the original meaning behind the concept.

i just call it newton's third law

there's no reason to have the mystic buddhist-ass mumbo jumbo in there if what we have works just fine

Yu · January 15, 2015, 10:48:19 PM

Lovely thread we have here.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:49:08 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 15, 2015, 10:45:49 PM

To live it. Plain and simple.

But one could say that life's meaning can be found in death and death gets its meaning through life.

I personally see it that the cosmos made this possible for us, all of us. Might as sell make the best of it.

this is a good start i guess

the second sentence kinda confuses me though

N/A · January 15, 2015, 10:49:21 PM

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Assassin 11D7 · January 15, 2015, 10:50:06 PM

Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:47:56 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 15, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
Right now my meaning in life is to see what shit Verby says that gets people mad.
I think the only person that legitimately gets mad in a conversation with him is himself.

Well, you think everyone is mad. Sooo..

Aether · January 15, 2015, 10:52:02 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:48:00 PM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 15, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:40:38 PM
We could also argue whether karma is an actual real thing, but I don't think that would actually go anywhere.
Karma is a real thing. It's also called 'action and reaction.' The idea that karma is some mystical supernatural force that dishes out punishment for bad deeds is just a misconception of the original meaning behind the concept.
i just call it newton's third law

there's no reason to have the mystic buddhist-ass mumbo jumbo in there if what we have works just fine

It wasn't "mystic mumbo jumbo." It was just a concept that developed by observing the interdependent nature of things and it was called karma. There was no newton's third law thousands of years ago in south east asia to take its place.

Korra · January 15, 2015, 10:52:16 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:49:08 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 15, 2015, 10:45:49 PM
To live it. Plain and simple.

But one could say that life's meaning can be found in death and death gets its meaning through life.

I personally see it that the cosmos made this possible for us, all of us. Might as sell make the best of it.
this is a good start i guess

the second sentence kinda confuses me though

The second paragraph?

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:52:54 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 15, 2015, 10:52:16 PM

The second paragraph?

yeah, paragraph, my bad

could you go into that a little more

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:54:04 PM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 15, 2015, 10:52:02 PM

It wasn't "mystic mumbo jumbo." It was just a concept that developed by observing the interdependent nature of things and it was called karma. There was no newton's third law thousands of years ago in south east asia to take its place.

so precisely when did this misconception arise

Azumarill · January 15, 2015, 10:54:12 PM

there is no inherent purpose to our lives beyond survival and reproduction, so its ultimately up to each individual to decide that the "meaning" of their life is

i live for life's beauty and the pursuit of epicurean pleasure. that is my purpose.

Naru · January 15, 2015, 10:54:31 PM

I believe it is to smoke dank memes

Epsira · January 15, 2015, 10:54:52 PM

Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 15, 2015, 10:52:02 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 15, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 15, 2015, 10:40:38 PM
We could also argue whether karma is an actual real thing, but I don't think that would actually go anywhere.
Karma is a real thing. It's also called 'action and reaction.' The idea that karma is some mystical supernatural force that dishes out punishment for bad deeds is just a misconception of the original meaning behind the concept.
i just call it newton's third law

there's no reason to have the mystic buddhist-ass mumbo jumbo in there if what we have works just fine
It wasn't "mystic mumbo jumbo." It was just a concept that developed by observing the interdependent nature of things and it was called karma. There was no newton's third law thousands of years ago in south east asia to take its place.

Have you read a book relating how science and eastern philosophies have similar conceptualizations of realities through different means? It's called the "Tao of Physics."

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 10:55:39 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 15, 2015, 10:54:12 PM

there is no inherent purpose to our lives beyond survival and reproduction, so its ultimately up to each individual to decide that the "meaning" of their life is

i live for life's beauty and the pursuit of epicurean pleasure. that is my purpose.

"Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism, insofar as it declares pleasure to be the sole intrinsic good, its conception of absence of pain as the greatest pleasure and its advocacy of a simple life makes it different from 'hedonism' as it is commonly understood."

i'm liking it

sort of

Korra · January 15, 2015, 10:57:06 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:52:54 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on January 15, 2015, 10:52:16 PM
The second paragraph?
yeah, paragraph, my bad

could you go into that a little more

Oh, its just something I believe about the universe. Just a personal belief.

Jocephalopod · January 15, 2015, 10:57:55 PM

I don't really think one universal meaning is applicable here. Individual goals could be considered actions that give your life meaning.

as for me, the answer changes each time I realize a goal can't be reached. So I guess the meaning of life is to always have something to live for.

now that I think about it it's a pretty fucking stupid and pointless question.

PSU · January 15, 2015, 10:58:22 PM

happiness

Azumarill · January 15, 2015, 10:58:47 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 10:55:39 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 15, 2015, 10:54:12 PM
there is no inherent purpose to our lives beyond survival and reproduction, so its ultimately up to each individual to decide that the "meaning" of their life is

i live for life's beauty and the pursuit of epicurean pleasure. that is my purpose.
"Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism, insofar as it declares pleasure to be the sole intrinsic good, its conception of absence of pain as the greatest pleasure and its advocacy of a simple life makes it different from 'hedonism' as it is commonly understood."

i'm liking it

sort of

on the surface, it's a rather selfish way to live, and i do often take it to the edge of hedonism, but i try to be good to other people and help them achieve simple pleasure as well, so i'd like to think it isnt totally selfish.