Quote from: Elegiac on September 29, 2014, 04:14:18 AM

Quote from: Septy on September 29, 2014, 04:12:38 AM

Quote from: Elegiac on September 29, 2014, 04:09:00 AM

At least you have the children to draw some stability from. You seem to acknowledge that.

Apart from that... you have my anger on your behalf.

Unless they get divorced and his wife gets custody. Which will happen since this is the U.S.

Not always. I think Charlie should be able to present himself as the primary care giver quite easily from what I remember.

Charlie will still get some custody, like on weekends and stuff. But full custody is only given to men in very extreme cases, such as the woman being deemed mentally unfit.

Hrrrm. I still feel like he could swing it.

Quote from: Septy on September 29, 2014, 04:24:01 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 04:21:58 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 29, 2014, 04:18:06 AM

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Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 29, 2014, 03:53:26 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 03:50:50 AM

I knew it.

That sucks man. You shouldn't adopt another kid. I won't tell you to divorce or stay, that's up to you. But you shouldn't force another kid to have to deal with this.

Its a wee bit late to back out now. He is being born as we type this. I have a cab here in 3 hours and 9 minutes to take me to the airport for the flight to Jacksonville.

What a great night to break the news to me, eh?

It's never late. You're not forced to go get the baby. Nobody's holding you at gunpoint.

Your wife has broken her wedding vows and has been sneaky about it too. Is this really the type of person you want to raise kids with? Is she really the person who should mother these children, when she has already shown no interest in doing so? Let me tell you something, a lot of women adopt because they think they're supposed to have kids.

Please, don't do this. It's not right. It's not right for the kids to live like this, and it's not right for you to have to eventually take care of two kids on your own. Cut your losses and give this one kid the best you can.

I know your heart is in the right place, but stop. Just stop. If I go it alone, I am pushing through with this. My son will have a brother.

I strongly disagree and I think you're just going to get even more grief from this plus an extra kid growing up in a broken home, but it's your life. It's not the fact that the kid might be ok, it's that his childhood will be sad. You shouldn't force another kid to live in your life, with a woman who barely cares and cheated on you.

Whatever. Do what you gotta do.

Can I use your time machine for a bit? Because clearly you know the future.

Oh, so the kids WON'T be sad when they grow up without a mom?

You don't know that they will be sad. It's up to Charlie to determine that. I sure as hell wasn't sad that my parents were divorced because of how well I was treated. My father had full custody.

Quote from: Septy on September 29, 2014, 04:43:27 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 04:41:13 AM

Quote from: Septy on September 29, 2014, 04:30:55 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 04:29:01 AM

Quote from: Septy on September 29, 2014, 04:24:01 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 04:21:58 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 29, 2014, 04:18:06 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 04:01:27 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 29, 2014, 03:53:26 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2014, 03:50:50 AM

I knew it.

That sucks man. You shouldn't adopt another kid. I won't tell you to divorce or stay, that's up to you. But you shouldn't force another kid to have to deal with this.

Its a wee bit late to back out now. He is being born as we type this. I have a cab here in 3 hours and 9 minutes to take me to the airport for the flight to Jacksonville.

What a great night to break the news to me, eh?

It's never late. You're not forced to go get the baby. Nobody's holding you at gunpoint.

Your wife has broken her wedding vows and has been sneaky about it too. Is this really the type of person you want to raise kids with? Is she really the person who should mother these children, when she has already shown no interest in doing so? Let me tell you something, a lot of women adopt because they think they're supposed to have kids.

Please, don't do this. It's not right. It's not right for the kids to live like this, and it's not right for you to have to eventually take care of two kids on your own. Cut your losses and give this one kid the best you can.

I know your heart is in the right place, but stop. Just stop. If I go it alone, I am pushing through with this. My son will have a brother.

I strongly disagree and I think you're just going to get even more grief from this plus an extra kid growing up in a broken home, but it's your life. It's not the fact that the kid might be ok, it's that his childhood will be sad. You shouldn't force another kid to live in your life, with a woman who barely cares and cheated on you.

Whatever. Do what you gotta do.

Can I use your time machine for a bit? Because clearly you know the future.

Oh, so the kids WON'T be sad when they grow up without a mom?

You don't know that they will be sad. It's up to Charlie to determine that. I sure as hell wasn't sad that my parents were divorced because of how well I was treated. My father had full custody.

A little kid won't be sad he doesn't have a mom/dad? Come on man.

If you have the financial stability and you think you can get custody, it won't be that bad. But what if she gets custody? You'll barely be there for them, no matter how much you want to be. That's torture for yourself and the kids.

I just don't see it. I get that it was your dream and your plan to have kids, but I don't know. Fucking bitch couldn't have told you before? Why the fuck does she even want the kids?

Will the kid be bummed put out his parents don't live together? Maybe. But you're acting like they will grow up without their mother and will have miserable lives.

That is just bullshit.

Most do have miserable childhoods. There's no bullshit about it, it's a fucking fact.

This is nonsense. It is solely up to the parents if they have a good childhood or not. Not if they don't live in the same house. Before the advent of modern medicine did kids have fucking miserable lives when lots grew up without their mother because she died during childbirth? No. Statistics mean nothing because it's up to the parents to determine if their kids have happy lives or not.

I'm done with this conversation.

Challenger, please, out of respect. Stop.

My mind is made. It won't change, and all you are doing is adding stress where no more can fit.

Out of respect, I will tell you this: Mrs Charlie and I both come from broken homes. I had brothers, she was an only child. My brothers and I were able to turn to one another for support, and at the end of the day we were better for it. She was alone, and to this day bears the scars of that loneliness.

For me the lesson is simple, if there is going to be pain, companionship eases it.

Now, I won't discuss this any further. Let it go.

Tell me where she lives, and I will sen in Wolverine to beat her ass.

Well shit, I hope you manage to sort that all out, at the very least give the kids a chance to live good lives. I know how it is to have your parents divorce at a young age, it wasn't the best time of my life.

While divorce is certainly on the table, it isn't a certainty. One thing is that Nicholas is younger than 2. He won't be forming actual memories for another year or two. For him and Alex, this will just be the shape of the world.

I don't know what to say man.

I guess good luck in whatever happens.

Would Mrs charlie even want full custody?

Better man than me.

If I were in your position, I'd have lost control of myself.

Quote from: Lord Ruler on September 29, 2014, 08:14:36 AM

I don't know what to say man.

I guess good luck in whatever happens.

Would Mrs charlie even want full custody?

I don't know. We are in the truth and reconciliation phase. If she gets mad enough, anything is possible.

Well whatever happens I hope you get custody of the kids. You seem to really care for them.

You should consider handling  your relationship issues before obtaining another infant.

Shit, is September Bad News month for the Flood?

Mrs. Charlie doesn't sound very committed to you or the children....

How did you get stuck with such a horrible woman for your wife?!

Jesus man, I'm sorry to hear all this.

My heart goes out to you.