On the topic of GMO's

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Nothing we eat is fucking natural.

Most crops/livestock are in some way cultivated/breed to have properties that are critical to their use in food production.

Ever eaten a wild natural potato? The stuff is toxic and might kill you. Un cultivated Bannanas are disgusting and look like a spider laid its eggs into play-dough. Corn/maize is pretty much inedible.

If you want to go out and eat an all natural diet good luck, you will probably die because half the shit we eat, were not edibable before we came along.


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Modern orange carrots are the result of a genetically modified purple carrot.


 
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but le scientific ticking time bomb meme

People need to stop basing their conceptions of GMOs in movies and start evaluating the actual scientific methods involved in cultivating GMOs.

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i don't have anything against GMOs themselves, what i take issue with are the huge, slimy corporations like Monsanto that are trying to monopolize the food industry with their bullshit


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We've been modifying the genes of things since agriculture was a thing. We're just doing it more effectively.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

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There are a ton of advantages to GMO's, but there are noteworthy disadvantages.

-To stop GMO plants killing off native species, they are sterile. That results in dependance on the company producing them to buy more seeds. This could be mitigated if the GMO market had more competition, but I assume patenting gets in the way here.

-Have to be kept segregated in case of a mutation that kills them off or allows them to breed and spread to native species. This is related to the last point.

Another general disadvantage is that the ones who have access to GMO's don't really need them, as in they would much better suited for developing countries. More of a distrubution problem, but eh.

Essentially GMO's are the next step from selective breeding. Animal and plant food sources were never the size they are now without some good ol' human intervention, so why suddenly modifying them with better positive results without as many negative side effects is considered bad by some is quite ludicrous.
Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 02:56:50 PM by SuperIrish


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Everything will kill you. U stay in the sun too long it can kill you. You stay in the water too long it can kill you in inhale pure oxygen it can kill you.

That's not the same.


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what watermelons used to look like




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150821-watermelon-fruit-history-agriculture/

granted this is a result of breeding.



but so is everything else.
Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 03:00:12 PM by Jocephalopod


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Everything will kill you. U stay in the sun too long it can kill you. You stay in the water too long it can kill you in inhale pure oxygen it can kill you.

That's not the same.
U scare a computer too long it can kill you, you listen to op opinion it can kill you


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what watermelons used to look like




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150821-watermelon-fruit-history-agriculture/

granted this is a result of breeding.



but so is everything else.
That's actually just how they look if the plant haven't gotten enough water.



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what watermelons used to look like




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150821-watermelon-fruit-history-agriculture/

granted this is a result of breeding.



but so is everything else.
That's actually just how they look if the plant haven't gotten enough water.




yea i got a bad picture, the article does a better job showing the evolution



 
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It's not about eating natural, it's about not eating poison. There's nothing wrong with genetically modifying organisms, there's everything wrong with the additives that Monsanto puts into theirs.

But I guess that doesn't help your strawman argument, huh?


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It's not about eating natural, it's about not eating poison. There's nothing wrong with genetically modifying organisms, there's everything wrong with the additives that Monsanto puts into theirs.

But I guess that doesn't help your strawman argument, huh?
The argument isn't that GMOs are inherently good. They aren't. The argument is that they aren't inherently evil just because "they're not natural ", as some people think.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
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It's not about eating natural, it's about not eating poison. There's nothing wrong with genetically modifying organisms, there's everything wrong with the additives that Monsanto puts into theirs.

But I guess that doesn't help your strawman argument, huh?
The argument isn't that GMOs are inherently good. They aren't. The argument is that they aren't inherently evil just because "they're not natural ", as some people think.
I've never used this argument against GMOs. Computers aren't natural. Medicine isn't natural.


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It's not about eating natural, it's about not eating poison. There's nothing wrong with genetically modifying organisms, there's everything wrong with the additives that Monsanto puts into theirs.

But I guess that doesn't help your strawman argument, huh?
The argument isn't that GMOs are inherently good. They aren't. The argument is that they aren't inherently evil just because "they're not natural ", as some people think.
I've never used this argument against GMOs. Computers aren't natural. Medicine isn't natural.
The thread isn't directed at you.


 
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The thread isn't directed at you.
But everything is about me


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As long as it doesn't give me cancer idgaf


 
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As long as it doesn't give me cancer idgaf
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what watermelons used to look like




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150821-watermelon-fruit-history-agriculture/

granted this is a result of breeding.



but so is everything else.
That's actually just how they look if the plant haven't gotten enough water.


Looks like an octopus possessed it.


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Then you should gaf

But its not giving me Gonasiphaherpaids
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It's not about eating natural, it's about not eating poison. There's nothing wrong with genetically modifying organisms, there's everything wrong with the additives that Monsanto puts into theirs.

But I guess that doesn't help your strawman argument, huh?
The argument isn't that GMOs are inherently good. They aren't. The argument is that they aren't inherently evil just because "they're not natural ", as some people think.
I've never used this argument against GMOs. Computers aren't natural. Medicine isn't natural.

Well, actually, they are. They aren't naturally occuring, yes. But because they're a product of universal and atomic reactions, and follow all the established universal laws, yes, by definition, they are natural. But I get your point. A computer doesn't just pop up out of the ground if you plant it.

Medicine, on the other hand, is just simple structures. Hell, everything we've ever built or made came from a natural existing structure in nature. All we did is refine things a little bit.

That of course doesn't mean that I support GMOs. The actual main problems with GMO crops aren't the hidden shit and unknown shit that we aren't told, or even the stuff that's not known to the designers themselves.

It's the fact that they're peddled and pushed down people's throats. Laws exist to keep GMOs in production over just regular old plants. A farmer isn't allowed to sell his crop to anybody but the company he signs his contract with.

And, what does this all amount to? GMO's don't function naturally with the existing ecosystem. They don't reproduce because they're designed not to. They don't fit into the existing natural framework of the environment. So, when you have all these fields of GMO crops that don't pollinate, don't spread their seeds, and don't properly feed other life forms, what happens?

Environmental collapse.

That, and the fact that GMO crops are tailored. They're designed to fit a standard which therefore means that they're relatively identical to one another. History, evolution, you name it, has shown that too much of the same gene pool, or lack of diversity, is a bad thing when strain and pressure is introduced. That's how species die out.

Lack of variables.

GMOs wouldn't be such a shitty thing if they weren't becoming widespread replacements to everything, and actively muscling their way over everybody who wants an alternative. The supposed and potential cancerous health issues?

Fucking everything today gives you cancer anyway. We're surrounded in an environment that is cancerous.


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