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Talion.

Aragorn fought off 4 Nazgul at the Watchtower.  Talion got buttfucked by three of Sauron's servants.

I'm talking wraith-possessed Talion.

Aragorn is canon though.
He can't fight something that doesn't exist.

I don't see what your point is considering Jon Snow isn't canon to LotR either.

But they're canon in their respective universes.

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Talion.

Aragorn fought off 4 Nazgul at the Watchtower.  Talion got buttfucked by three of Sauron's servants.

I'm talking wraith-possessed Talion.

Aragorn is canon though.
He can't fight something that doesn't exist.

I don't see what your point is considering Jon Snow isn't canon to LotR either.

But they're canon in their respective universes.

But he isn't canon to LotR meaning Aragorn would never meet him and he "can't fight something that doesn't exist."

Now you're just being anal.

I was only talking inside LotR, obviously, if you made a thread pitching Aragorn against Talion, canon would be irrelevant.

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Quote from: Nagato on March 01, 2015, 05:39:05 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 01, 2015, 05:36:42 PM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 01, 2015, 05:35:24 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 01, 2015, 05:32:33 PM

Talion.

Aragorn fought off 4 Nazgul at the Watchtower.  Talion got buttfucked by three of Sauron's servants.

I'm talking wraith-possessed Talion.

Aragorn is canon though.
He can't fight something that doesn't exist.

I don't see what your point is considering Jon Snow isn't canon to LotR either.

But they're canon in their respective universes.

But he isn't canon to LotR meaning Aragorn would never meet him and he "can't fight something that doesn't exist."

Now you're just being anal.

I was only talking inside LotR, obviously, if you made a thread pitching Aragorn against Talion, canon would be irrelevant.

I know canon is irrelveant. RIght now I'm just curious as to why you stated "Aragorn is canon and can't fight something that doesn't exist (Talion)" even though you just now said it's irrelevant. It made it seem as though you think characters have to be canon in order to be pitted against each other.

I was just stating that Talion, as someone not part of the LotR story penned by JRR himself, is largely irrelevant.
So he probably has some contrived ability, like turning into a wraith without becoming Sauron's slave.

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 01, 2015, 05:50:23 PM

he still fucking died against three Generals while Aragorn solo'd FOUR Nazgul at once.

Eh, it was a cool feat, but I'd hardly call it a "solo." He only really drove them off and had to employ the use of fire in the fight. It was more of a circumstantial result rather than a testament of Aragorn's fighting skills. Keep in mind that not even Arwen or Gandalf could handle the Nazgul.

It showed his smarts though.  While Jon has some cunning, Aragorn is a smart man.  Years and years of being a Ranger honed his survival instinct skills while Jon


Also, Arwen is a very under-powered elf if you compare her to someone like Elrond or the Lady Galadriel.  As for Gandalf, while he was still an underpowered Gandalf the Grey, he took on all nine Nazgul in an all-night battle before leaving with four of them pursuing him.  If you're referencing to the Return of the King movie where The Witch-King broke Gandalf's staff, that was something even I was annoyed with Peter Jackson about.  Yes, he wanted to show off how badass the Witch-King was, but Gandalf the White was a BAMF Maiar, the same level as Sauron.

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he still fucking died against three Generals while Aragorn solo'd FOUR Nazgul at once.

Eh, it was a cool feat, but I'd hardly call it a "solo." He only really drove them off and had to employ the use of fire in the fight. It was more of a circumstantial result rather than a testament of Aragorn's fighting skills. Keep in mind that not even Arwen or Gandalf could handle the Nazgul.

It showed his smarts though.  While Jon has some cunning, Aragorn is a smart man.  Years and years of being a Ranger honed his survival instinct skills while Jon

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let multiple people under his command stab him after he ignored multiple warnings from Melissandre.

Also, Arwen is a very under-powered elf if you compare her to someone like Elrond or the Lady Galadriel.  As for Gandalf, while he was still an underpowered Gandalf the Grey, he took on all nine Nazgul in an all-night battle before leaving with four of them pursuing him.  If you're referencing to the Return of the King movie where The Witch-King broke Gandalf's staff, that was something even I was annoyed with Peter Jackson about.  Yes, he wanted to show off how badass the Witch-King was, but Gandalf the White was a BAMF Maiar, the same level as Sauron.

The consistency of the Nazgul is all over the fucking place anyway. One one hand you have an experienced wizard struggling to hold them off, then on the other you have Eowyn killing their fucking leader. It's like Tolkein just decided to make them whatever he wanted them to be to convenience the plot.

But Eowyn was no man.

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Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 01, 2015, 05:50:23 PM

he still fucking died against three Generals while Aragorn solo'd FOUR Nazgul at once.

Eh, it was a cool feat, but I'd hardly call it a "solo." He only really drove them off and had to employ the use of fire in the fight. It was more of a circumstantial result rather than a testament of Aragorn's fighting skills. Keep in mind that not even Arwen or Gandalf could handle the Nazgul.

It showed his smarts though.  While Jon has some cunning, Aragorn is a smart man.  Years and years of being a Ranger honed his survival instinct skills while Jon

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let multiple people under his command stab him after he ignored multiple warnings from Melissandre.

Also, Arwen is a very under-powered elf if you compare her to someone like Elrond or the Lady Galadriel.  As for Gandalf, while he was still an underpowered Gandalf the Grey, he took on all nine Nazgul in an all-night battle before leaving with four of them pursuing him.  If you're referencing to the Return of the King movie where The Witch-King broke Gandalf's staff, that was something even I was annoyed with Peter Jackson about.  Yes, he wanted to show off how badass the Witch-King was, but Gandalf the White was a BAMF Maiar, the same level as Sauron.

The consistency of the Nazgul is all over the fucking place anyway. One one hand you have an experienced wizard struggling to hold them off, then on the other you have Eowyn killing their fucking leader. It's like Tolkein just decided to make them whatever he wanted them to be to convenience the plot.

But Eowyn was no man.

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