We'll probably experience the technological singularity.

rC · August 25, 2015, 08:11:29 AM

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this shit is so stupid, stop
Nope. http://library.fora.tv/2012/10/14/Stuart_Armstrong_How_Were_Predicting_AI
okay

this shit is still fucking stupid, stop
Small minds can't comprehend a paradigm shift.
rc is one of the smartest users here

im flattered, but no

Kitsune 狐 · August 25, 2015, 08:46:08 AM

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Yesss legal bot hookers!!!
no

stop it

it's ok Korra, this doesn't mean I'd stop coming to see you ^.~

Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM

Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"

Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM

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Big Boss · August 25, 2015, 12:44:25 PM

Will I finally have self-toasting toast?

Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM

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Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.

You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 25, 2015, 12:56:44 PM

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Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 01:42:24 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:56:44 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.
>haven't researched the topic

LOL

man i took a college course over AI theory and read Godel, Escher, Bach which contains the leading theory of how AGIs could be made.

Yet you still argue against expert opinion and analysis? Something ain't right then.

Girl of Mystery · August 25, 2015, 01:44:41 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.

As opposed to your effort that consists of skim reading something online and then posting it on a backwater Internet forum?

Just stop.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 25, 2015, 02:07:50 PM

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Sandtrap · August 25, 2015, 02:10:21 PM

Quote from: Solid Lemon on August 24, 2015, 03:12:17 PM

Chakas is already 50 though

You saying Chalk won't make it till he's 75?

Sandtrap · August 25, 2015, 02:12:43 PM

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Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.
>haven't researched the topic

LOL

man i took a college course over AI theory and read Godel, Escher, Bach which contains the leading theory of how AGIs could be made.
Yet you still argue against expert opinion and analysis? Something ain't right then.
no credible expert opinion will predict the technological singularity happening in 2040 or anywhere near that. Optimism has no place in science.

If an inventor who wasn't optimistic about trying to create something then they'd have never passed the hurdles required to reach their end result.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 25, 2015, 02:16:57 PM

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🂿 · August 25, 2015, 02:18:39 PM

Sandtrap · August 25, 2015, 02:31:24 PM

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Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
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Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.
>haven't researched the topic

LOL

man i took a college course over AI theory and read Godel, Escher, Bach which contains the leading theory of how AGIs could be made.
Yet you still argue against expert opinion and analysis? Something ain't right then.
no credible expert opinion will predict the technological singularity happening in 2040 or anywhere near that. Optimism has no place in science.

If an inventor who wasn't optimistic about trying to create something then they'd have never passed the hurdles required to reach their end result.
scientists 50 years ago were also optimistic we would have flying cars by now. Look how that turned out. If you're going to study in the field of science you need to be a realist, not an optimist.

Hovercraft modes of transport would like to have a word with you. Small flight capable vehicles would like to have a word with you. As a matter of fact, this thing would like to have a word with you.

YouTube

Optimism has a place in whatever you do. The key, is not to let your head go too high up into the clouds. There's optimisim that's grounded in reality and then there's idle daydreams.

There's a difference.

Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 02:16:57 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭ on August 25, 2015, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.
>haven't researched the topic

LOL

man i took a college course over AI theory and read Godel, Escher, Bach which contains the leading theory of how AGIs could be made.
Yet you still argue against expert opinion and analysis? Something ain't right then.
no credible expert opinion will predict the technological singularity happening in 2040 or anywhere near that. Optimism has no place in science.

If an inventor who wasn't optimistic about trying to create something then they'd have never passed the hurdles required to reach their end result.
scientists 50 years ago were also optimistic we would have flying cars by now. Look how that turned out. If you're going to study in the field of science you need to be a realist, not an optimist.

True,true. However these questions deal more with the engineering as opposed to the science. Although given this situation not enough research has been done in regards to AI so id say it's a bit of both. But look at the predictions for computer technology, space technology, flight, optics, etc. There's was once a time when the Wright Bros said we would never fly across the Atlantic. When predicting the state of technology sometimes people are right and sometimes they're wrong, but if you want to model technological progress (which I know isn't necessarily foolproof) we see it's an exponential curve.
I'm not saying that definitely by 2040 or 2100 we'll have strong AI, but it's something to think about.

Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 04:20:55 PM

Quote from: Solid Lemon on August 25, 2015, 01:44:41 PM

Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Lord Starch on August 25, 2015, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM
Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"
Who cares where the info came from, (which is more than just Wikipedia). It's not about being smart, it's about sharing information that apparently some of you didn't know. Stop being childish.
information that's incorrect and based off of pure speculation, poor speculation at that.
You can't call it incorrect information when you've literally put no effort into disputing their claims or even researching the topic. I'll take their analysis over yours.
As opposed to your effort that consists of skim reading something online and then posting it on a backwater Internet forum?

Just stop.

I think I know exactly what to do with you.

Turkey · August 25, 2015, 06:02:22 PM

Moore's Law isn't really about technological progress, it's about the efficiency of components. Eventually (and soon) we'll reach a point where we can't make processors any smaller; that point isn't singularity.

Singularity will be more of a biological evolution than a technological one. We'll have the technology to reach it far before we actually understand the human brain and how (or if) AI is achievable.

Lord Starch · August 25, 2015, 08:24:03 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on August 25, 2015, 06:02:22 PM

Moore's Law isn't really about technological progress, it's about the efficiency of components. Eventually (and soon) we'll reach a point where we can't make processors any smaller; that point isn't singularity.

Singularity will be more of a biological evolution than a technological one. We'll have the technology to reach it far before we actually understand the human brain and how (or if) AI is achievable.

They're not saying Moore's law is approaching the moment of singularity, they're just using it to help model a prediction for the arrival of the singularity.
And as far as I know singularity just applies to an AGI. But I agree that improvements in biomedical engineering and the other fields relating to it will come before strong AI.

Mattie G Indahouse · August 25, 2015, 08:30:38 PM

I for one welcome our future Skynet overlord.

DAS B00T x2 · August 25, 2015, 08:35:15 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 25, 2015, 05:22:56 AM

Holy shit you're retarded "hey guys I read something off a wikipedia page I'm smart right?"

Isn't that what Meta does?