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It's actually pretty entertaining for me.

>tfw banned so you can't jump into the argument

Um..just create a new account with the same name. There's nothing stopping you.

lol

Me when I'm forced to access B.lind

It stuff like this that makes me glad I'm agnostic.

Quote from: Soʟoɴoɪᴅ on February 28, 2015, 08:24:41 PM

>tfw banned so you can't jump into the argument

Um..just create a new account with the same name. There's nothing stopping you.

I have accounts into the double digits.
Don't feel like switching.

It stuff like this that makes me glad I'm agnostic.

If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.  You're simply an agnostic atheist.  Agnosticism refers to knowledge where as faith relies on belief.  You don't believe it's possible to prove or disprove god and that that knowledge is unknowable, but you can be a religious agnostic or atheist agnostic still.

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 28, 2015, 09:23:30 PM

It stuff like this that makes me glad I'm agnostic.

If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.  You're simply an agnostic atheist.  Agnosticism refers to knowledge where as faith relies on belief.  You don't believe it's possible to prove or disprove god and that that knowledge is unknowable, but you can be a religious agnostic or atheist agnostic still.

I didn't say that I didn't believe in a god. I'm pretty much right in the middle on the entire thing.  I just meant all the arguing on personal beliefs.

If you don't not believe then you believe.  Faith is active so if you don't actively believe in a deity then you lack belief.  Middle ground is just fence sitting.  If I asked you if an argument was convincing or not, would you say "It was neither convincing nor unconvincing"?  It's really a non-answer.

Quote from: Mad Max on February 28, 2015, 08:30:18 PM

Quote from: Soʟoɴoɪᴅ on February 28, 2015, 08:24:41 PM

>tfw banned so you can't jump into the argument

Um..just create a new account with the same name. There's nothing stopping you.

I thought they made it to where accounts required an XBL or PS profile that has played on the systems now?

That's only for #Destiny and #Feedback I believe.

Quote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 28, 2015, 09:39:54 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 28, 2015, 09:23:30 PM

It stuff like this that makes me glad I'm agnostic.

If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.  You're simply an agnostic atheist.  Agnosticism refers to knowledge where as faith relies on belief.  You don't believe it's possible to prove or disprove god and that that knowledge is unknowable, but you can be a religious agnostic or atheist agnostic still.

I didn't say that I didn't believe in a god. I'm pretty much right in the middle on the entire thing.  I just meant all the arguing on personal beliefs.

If you don't not believe then you believe.  Faith is active so if you don't actively believe in a deity then you lack belief.  Middle ground is just fence sitting.  If I asked you if an argument was convincing or not, would you say "It was neither convincing nor unconvincing"?  It's really a non-answer.

At this point in my life I'm undesided with the argument. I'd like to believe in something greater but I'm also not going to devote much time to it.

At this point in my life I'm undesided with the argument. I'd like to believe in something greater but I'm also not going to devote much time to it.

If you lack belief then you're atheist. 

Agnostic Christian- I believe in the god of the bible as my lord and savior but I don't think his existence can be proven or disproven.

Agnostic Atheist- I do not have any beliefs in any deity(s) but I do not think it can be proven or disproven.

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 10:05:32 PM

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on February 28, 2015, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 09:47:15 PM

Middle ground is just fence sitting.

Theological Switzerland is the best place to be, though.

Not really.  A fight/war is different than belief in a god.  If you don't actively believe most god's will punish you anyway.  It's not like you get to the heavenly gates and be like "Yo god I know I didn't believe in you but I never said I didn't either ;^)" and that'll be okay.  If you're doing it for that it essentially turns into Pascal's wager. Switzerland's fence sitting is only okay cause there is no serious conflict to them or their alllies.

Yeah, but right now there's no direct consequences. So theological Switzerland it still the best place to be. We have wine, cheese, and scantily-clad women, as opposed to Christians having blind faith, and atheists having self-satisfaction in assuming they're any less irritating than Christians.

If you don't believe there's consequences then you're atheist...just an agnostic one. 

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on February 28, 2015, 10:12:06 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 10:05:32 PM

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on February 28, 2015, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 28, 2015, 09:47:15 PM

Middle ground is just fence sitting.

Theological Switzerland is the best place to be, though.

Not really.  A fight/war is different than belief in a god.  If you don't actively believe most god's will punish you anyway.  It's not like you get to the heavenly gates and be like "Yo god I know I didn't believe in you but I never said I didn't either ;^)" and that'll be okay.  If you're doing it for that it essentially turns into Pascal's wager. Switzerland's fence sitting is only okay cause there is no serious conflict to them or their alllies.

Yeah, but right now there's no direct consequences. So theological Switzerland it still the best place to be. We have wine, cheese, and scantily-clad women, as opposed to Christians having blind faith, and atheists having self-satisfaction in assuming they're any less irritating than Christians.

If you don't believe there's consequences then you're atheist...just an agnostic one.

right now there's no direct consequences

Exactly how did you get 'I don't believe there's consequences' out of this? I'm just saying, there's no need to choose a 'side' right now, and I see no reason why I should be forced to, so why bother? Whether or not God exists has never been relevant to me, so I haven't given it much thought. And, apparently, neither has Rinev

Which is why I'm utterly baffled that you're trying to force a dichotomy when there is most definitely a clear middle ground for those of us who don't give a damn.

Quote from: Rinev Jeqkogo on February 28, 2015, 10:00:36 PM

At this point in my life I'm undesided with the argument. I'd like to believe in something greater but I'm also not going to devote much time to it.

If you lack belief then you're atheist. 

Agnostic Christian- I believe in the god of the bible as my lord and savior but I don't think his existence can be proven or disproven.

Agnostic Atheist- I do not have any beliefs in any deity(s) but I do not think it can be proven or disproven.

I don't really lack belief in any god. Just because you don't put much thought or practice into a god doesn't mean that I'm atheist. For me it isn't clear cut that you have be a theist or an atheiest. 

Also if I was a clear cut theist I doubt I'd be Christian. I would have my own beliefs that aren't set in stone.