You are saying mental illness is acceptable by silencing those who disagree with you
I don't understand how Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 11:09:34 AMthe best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish
the best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish
Please tell me objectively how this is different from me wanting all transgenders to be killed
Uh, no. Not even close.I'm saying that people who have gender dysphoria have a mental illness.So we should do something to help them cope with their dysphoria....Like allowing them to live in a body they'd feel most comfortable in.What you're saying is that we shouldn't find the cure for cancer, and that finding the cure for cancer would be damaging to society.
Because as other people have stated repeatedly, there is no other solution.Go ahead and try wasting time, money, and resources looking for one. You will fail.
And for what? Making a guy believe he's a guy?Why is that such an important thing to have? Why does it matter?
Bigots like you are detrimental to society; transfolk are not.
First off acceptance is never the cure to any mental illness
But acceptance alone does not cure mental illness
Because we haven't found the cure yet
Of course there is a solution
Well because any time someone is delusional
If you take away the words transgender and gender dysphoria, you are just pushing your own agenda, ostracizing everyone who disagrees with you
I never said it was the cure.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.There is no cure for gender dysphoria.
it just so happens that the best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish
Acceptance is just a thing that we HAVE to do in order for treatment to work.
If everyone's a cunt bigot like you, that's not going to help anything or anybody.
Prove it.
They're not delusional.
I fail to see the problem.
I suppose it's too much to ask you to be accountable for what you say
Ok there is no cure for cancer right now You don't say there is no cure for cancer and stop all research
A man whose every cell, except for ironically his sperm cells, contain all male chromosomes that thinks he is a woman is delusion
Clarify
Quote from: Tsirist on March 18, 2016, 12:32:22 PMDoes anyone have any evidence of there being a suppression of research into dysphoria-nullifying drugs? i.e. something that would "make the feelings go away" in contrast with transgenderism. i still don't understand why people say "we should be researching this and clearly something would be found" if they're not experts in the research area and if they haven't already checked to see what has been doneironically, i remember reading about a schizophrenic and gender dysphoric patient whose dysphoria was dispelled by his schizophrenia drugs but i can't find the research article anymore. . . .It doesn't take a genius to figure out that research will no longer continue if society no longer considers it a mental illnessOnce you stop classifying something as a mental disease, you stop trying to cure it It's first grade logic
Does anyone have any evidence of there being a suppression of research into dysphoria-nullifying drugs? i.e. something that would "make the feelings go away" in contrast with transgenderism. i still don't understand why people say "we should be researching this and clearly something would be found" if they're not experts in the research area and if they haven't already checked to see what has been doneironically, i remember reading about a schizophrenic and gender dysphoric patient whose dysphoria was dispelled by his schizophrenia drugs but i can't find the research article anymore. . . .
A man whose every cell, except for ironically his sperm cells, contain all male chromosomes that thinks he is a woman is delusion de·lu·siondəˈlo͞oZHən/nounan idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.Here's the definition of delusion in case you're experiencing it right now
I don't think you know what the word disease means, friend
Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior.
the chromosome argument is a tired and worn out argument that just doesn't work
But you will fail
Reminder that GID is its own separate category in ICD-10; it's not a psychotic disorder and it's not BDD. Delusions are not a symptom of GID.
You say that "accepting and tolerating mental illness and its delusions" is harmful to society, citing that if we let severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia or let people amputate themselves or let people be dramatically underweight, that we'd be dismantling a healthy society.
that person still leads a generally healthy life. They can hold jobs, they can have relationships, they can generally interact with people normally
You're literally contradicting yourself.It is a literal fact that people are working very hard to try and solve it right now.And you've stated that people are trying to make it not classified as a mental illness.These two groups overlap immensely.
We've had this conversation many times.A negligible amount of people actually think being trans means you're not you're biologically sex.We are asserting that there is a significant difference between gendered expression and sexual phenotype (which there is, if there wasn't, this couldn't be a topic) therefor it would facilitate more clear and easy communication in society if we can divorce the ideas of sex and gender, because having the two combined is both redundant and detrimental when applied to certain cases. Nothing about the divorce disrupts the use of the ideas in the context of normal people, and it just gives us better tools for understanding these situations and talking about them. It also makes life for trans people a lot easier when the two are separated.
Quote from: Prime X on March 19, 2016, 01:08:37 AMReminder that GID is its own separate category in ICD-10; it's not a psychotic disorder and it's not BDD. Delusions are not a symptom of GID.Rephrase
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 19, 2016, 08:33:45 PMQuote from: Prime X on March 19, 2016, 01:08:37 AMReminder that GID is its own separate category in ICD-10; it's not a psychotic disorder and it's not BDD. Delusions are not a symptom of GID.RephraseGender identity disorder (GID or gender dysphoria) is not a psychotic disorder, nor is it body dismorphic disorder (BDD). It's in its own separate category, according to the International Classification of Diseases (ICD).Delusions are not symptomatic of GID.
>This thread is still going on
You misunderstood I say that forcing society to accept your truth as the truth is harmful If subjective truth replaces objective truth, our society will become a clusterfuck of idealsAnyone can say whatever they like and we would have to accept it as truth So my argument is not of a physical one but an ideological one
I have no doubt that people are working on it nowBut the trans community is impressing on society there is nothing wrong with transgenderism And there is nothing wrong with transgenderism socially but they are destroying any chance those people might have of fixing their problem by saying there is no problem
If a cure popped up tomorrow how many people do you think will go get treatment?Very little because transgenders today are perfectly happy living in their bubble of delusion
Personally I think the concept of gender is irrelevant in today's society Pink dresses no longer need to be associated to females and fighting no longer needs to be associated to menThat's not to say that transgender people still don't have mental disease but yes gender is a meaningless construct in today's society
Well the difference between identifying as an attack helicopter and identifying as the opposite sex is one of these things has a much, much longer history of documentation as the other and has far more discernible characteristics. Tbh putting otherkin on the same pedestal as transgender people is pretty insulting and trivializing. And again, one of these conditions is wanting to emulate a role that already exists in society. The other is emulating something that ranges from primal, to inanimate, to non-existent. There is a clear distinction.
Probably because transition is pretty effective and has high satisfaction.
"Personally", okay, so it is of your opinion."Gender is a meaningless construct in today's society", wait which is it? Is your subjective truth now the objective truth?Don't be intentionally ignorant of still present gender roles to suit your argument.I agree, if gender roles were completely abolished, the need for transition would be greatly diminished and for all I know could largely disappear. But bodily dysphoria can be as much a component of GID as social roles, and those exist in vacuum.
I'd just like to bring up a point here. Yeah, gender dysphoria pretty much fits the bill for a mental illness. Or, at least, the qualifications for a mental instability/disorder. Specifically to Inglorious, here's something to think about.How many mental illnesses out there are treated simply by telling them "No, stop having a differently wired brain?"None. Dementia. Altzhiemers. Schizophrenia. Bi-polar disorder. And every other one under the sun that exists, are all treated with medication or alterations that are neccessary to try and stabilize the person afflicted with whatever they have.Why make an exception to gender dysphoria and say "Lol no?"
Even regardless of your stance, here's something far out to think about. As we become better in medical fields, for instance. Lately, they've grown a seperate heart from scratch in a lab and they're teaching it to pump on it's own. They're getting better at natural skin reconstruction and facial reconstruction surgery, grafting, you name it.Eventually we're going to see the day that a human body can be medically altered basically from the ground up. At that point, the age dilemma will dissappear, and not only that, but so will the barriers of base biological sex. And I'd put money down that we'll see people swapping sexes over completely. Hell, you might even get combinations of both combined, eventually.It's far out to think about. But it's a reality that's on the way soon, either through bio-medical advances or robotic advances.One way or another, matey, your opinion on the subject will have to shift itself to adapt with the times.
QuoteProbably because transition is pretty effective and has high satisfaction.Why the fuck is the suicide rate so high for transgender people then
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 20, 2016, 06:33:15 PMQuoteProbably because transition is pretty effective and has high satisfaction.Why the fuck is the suicide rate so high for transgender people then cuz it's so stupid hard to get treatment?
It doesn't matter which one holds more merit
Choosing to value emotion over fact is harmful to society
Why the fuck is the suicide rate so high for transgender people then
It is my subjective truth that gender roles are meaninglessExcept I don't force it on anyone I've said many times in this thread that you don't have to care whether I think being transgender is good or notJust don't, for the millionth time, force your ideals on society
So the amount of which something has a more factual and empirically verified basis is irrelevant to you?
The fact is that mental health is about improving overall emotional well-being as long as it coincides with a sustainable model and doesn't interfere with health in other areas. The fact is that transition is a well documented procedure for a well documented condition. The fact is that trans people are worse off right now if they don't try to transition.
Because it isn't perfect and still needs a lot of improvement. Passability is going to drastcally effect results as people on the negative end of that spectrum are going to experience a lot of negative social repercussions that can result in them losing swathes of their social network.
Don't act like suicide rates with transition or those who do not transition are the same. I've only seen citations on pre and post-op SRS.Let's not neglect to mention that people who choose not to transition also probably choose not to identify as trans, and can go uncounted if they inevitably kill themselves from depression.
You were just trying to use your subjective truth as a means to say no one should care about gender in a social context.
Oh my God is this thread really still here?
Transgenderism Is A Mental Disease
