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What's the difference between alt-right and not alt right help me
the "alt-right" is a blanket term that describes various right-wing ideologies that are on the fringe of conservative politics, often taking alternative approaches to various established ideas

libertarianism is an example of an alt-right ideology--they're fiscally conservative, but what makes them "alt" is that they are socially liberal

they also tend to be batshit insane
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No person is the same as the next, I'm talking generally. And generally, there are FAR more men with those traits than there are women.
But you still aren't speaking about men on a case-by-case basis, like you should with anybody. Sure, you'll find men do some disagreeable things more often than women, but the opposite is equally true, and both are probably the products of societal atmospheres rather than raw nature. On a big enough scale, both sexes can probably be found to just do little "Wrong" things more than the other (Just because we're often put in sex-specific situations), but that's okay. We're all equal and should just strive to iron out our unnecessary differences. Generalization is just a bad thing to do, dude.
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And yes, physical appearance does matter. Not how "sexy" you are, how cute you are.
Why do you say this like it's a fact? I know you don't like men with big muscles, and of course you aren't obligated to, but then why do you turn around and badmouth the idea like it's some objectively appalling characteristic? How come being "Cute" is really really important to you? What makes it favorable?
Generalizations can be more than helpful. If 90% of black people suddenly became criminals, would it be bad to be wary when you see one? It's not fair to the 10% who aren't, but a negative opinion isn't an indictment or a bullet.

And being cute is the second most important thing in a person, besides being chill.


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No person is the same as the next, I'm talking generally. And generally, there are FAR more men with those traits than there are women.
But you still aren't speaking about men on a case-by-case basis, like you should with anybody. Sure, you'll find men do some disagreeable things more often than women, but the opposite is equally true, and both are probably the products of societal atmospheres rather than raw nature. On a big enough scale, both sexes can probably be found to just do little "Wrong" things more than the other (Just because we're often put in sex-specific situations), but that's okay. We're all equal and should just strive to iron out our unnecessary differences. Generalization is just a bad thing to do, dude.
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And yes, physical appearance does matter. Not how "sexy" you are, how cute you are.
Why do you say this like it's a fact? I know you don't like men with big muscles, and of course you aren't obligated to, but then why do you turn around and badmouth the idea like it's some objectively appalling characteristic? How come being "Cute" is really really important to you? What makes it favorable?
If 90% of black people suddenly became criminals, would it be bad to be wary when you see one? It's not fair to the 10% who aren't, but a negative opinion isn't an indictment or a bullet.
what do you mean "if"


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Generalizations can be more than helpful. If 90% of black people suddenly became criminals, would it be bad to be wary when you see one? It's not fair to the 10% who aren't, but a negative opinion isn't an indictment or a bullet.
Luckily, we aren't talking about criminality, and 90% of men aren't misogynistic pigs, so you aren't justified in suddenly feeling a sense of anger and revulsion whenever you come across a man. Generalizing all men under that description is ignorant and wrong. I understand that generalization can be a somewhat reasonable tool under certain circumstances, but this really isn't one of them.
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And being cute is the second most important thing in a person, besides being chill.
I asked you why. What is your objective reasoning behind that statement and why are you so adamant about denouncing physical attributes that signify masculinity?
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Yawn, more successful than you socially, economically, and physically and I have a higher education level than you.

Calling ME retarded. LOL.


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Maybe if you're a retard you'd think this

Yawn, more successful than you socially, economically, and physically and I have a higher education level than you.

Calling ME retarded. LOL.
Considering you're like five years older than me, ofc you're more successful than me economically

Socially, nope. Just from the kind of person you are, it's evident that you'd have shitty people as friends, too.

And physically, if you have muscles at all, you have a worse physique than me.


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Yawn, more successful than you socially, economically, and physically and I have a higher education level than you.

Calling ME retarded. LOL.
Considering you're like five years older than me, ofc you're more successful than me economically

Socially, nope. Just from the kind of person you are, it's evident that you'd have shitty people as friends, too.

And physically, if you have muscles at all, you have a worse physique than me.

So economically? Check

Socially? You're a fucking geek and think of popular guys as "shitty people". Check.

Physically? You're a twig and a manlet. While I'm nowhere close to as muscular as I was in college, I'm still twice the man you are physically. Check.

Why go on the internet and try to act better than everyone else if you're not successful in any way?


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Generalizations can be more than helpful. If 90% of black people suddenly became criminals, would it be bad to be wary when you see one? It's not fair to the 10% who aren't, but a negative opinion isn't an indictment or a bullet.
Luckily, we aren't talking about criminality, and 90% of men aren't misogynistic pigs, so you aren't justified in suddenly feeling a sense of anger and revulsion whenever you come across a man. Generalizing all men under that description is ignorant and wrong. I understand that generalization can be a somewhat reasonable tool under certain circumstances, but this really isn't one of them.
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And being cute is the second most important thing in a person, besides being chill.
I asked you why. What is your objective reasoning behind that statement and why are you so adamant about denouncing physical attributes that signify masculinity?
These are all opinions, there's obviously no objective study or anything that backs up my thoughts. My view is that apish brosabe typical men are the worst, in mind and body. There is nothing that kind of person can do to absolve themselves of how terrible they are.

And why am I adamant about cuteness being the end-all in physical attractiveness? Ask anyone, being cute is the most appealing trait in humans, puppies, anime characters, whatever. Why would you ever want to be all gruff, hairy, and gross when you could be small and adorable?


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Maybe if you're a retard you'd think this

Yawn, more successful than you socially, economically, and physically and I have a higher education level than you.

Calling ME retarded. LOL.
Considering you're like five years older than me, ofc you're more successful than me economically

Socially, nope. Just from the kind of person you are, it's evident that you'd have shitty people as friends, too.

And physically, if you have muscles at all, you have a worse physique than me.

So economically? Check

Socially? You're a fucking geek and think of popular guys as "shitty people". Check.

Physically? You're a twig and a manlet. While I'm nowhere close to as muscular as I was in college, I'm still twice the man you are physically. Check.

Why go on the internet and try to act better than everyone else if you're not successful in any way?
Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.


 
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Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.

Whats wrong with being in a frat? Don't matter after 30? You do know that men who join frats often make more money and are more successful than those who don't?

Socially, I like to watch sports and hang out with good looking people. Is that bad?

Being thin isn't healthy. You need to seek a nutritionist.


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Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.

Whats wrong with being in a frat? Don't matter after 30? You do know that men who join frats often make more money and are more successful than those who don't?

Socially, I like to watch sports and hang out with good looking people. Is that bad?

Being thin isn't healthy. You need to seek a nutritionist.
"Often" - nice meaningless piece of data with nothing to back it up

Your criteria for good looking is probably way askew. And what does what TV you watch have anything to do with your social life, lmao

And how is being thin unhealthy? Being thin is amazing.


 
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There is nothing that kind of person can do to absolve themselves of how terrible they are.
Looking at some buff guy and thinking "Ah, he must be a shitty, arrogant human being" is incredibly shallow and misguided.
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And why am I adamant about cuteness being the end-all in physical attractiveness? Ask anyone, being cute is the most appealing trait in humans, puppies, anime characters, whatever.
I personally fail to see the importance of it, or the rationality in basing my entire appearance on something like that.
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Why would you ever want to be all gruff, hairy, and gross when you could be small and adorable?
Being buff, to countless people, is not gross. You are absolutely not obliged to find it attractive, but you sound unbelievably pretentious and rude whenever you speak so lowly about the idea of having a masculine physique. I don't have any issues with the way that you handle your body and argue that people should strive to look however they please (Assuming they aren't doing physical damage to themselves like being obese, or something), so when you talk so begrudgingly, it's sort of hypocritical. You chastise masculinity and the what you feel it symbolizes (Arrogance, pretentiousness, etc), but then you go and do the same thing, just with a different body type.


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Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.

Whats wrong with being in a frat? Don't matter after 30? You do know that men who join frats often make more money and are more successful than those who don't?

Socially, I like to watch sports and hang out with good looking people. Is that bad?

Being thin isn't healthy. You need to seek a nutritionist.
"Often" - nice meaningless piece of data with nothing to back it up

Your criteria for good looking is probably way askew. And what does what TV you watch have anything to do with your social life, lmao

And how is being thin unhealthy? Being thin is amazing.

Yawn.

http://thefraternityadvisor.com/greek-life-statistics/
http://college.usatoday.com/2014/06/04/going-greek-may-lead-to-the-good-life-study-shows/

When I think "social" I think hobbies. TV is a hobby.

How is being thin unhealthy? Take an anatomy and physiology course and you'll know why.


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There is nothing that kind of person can do to absolve themselves of how terrible they are.
Looking at some buff guy and thinking "Ah, he must be a shitty, arrogant human being" is incredibly shallow and misguided.
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And why am I adamant about cuteness being the end-all in physical attractiveness? Ask anyone, being cute is the most appealing trait in humans, puppies, anime characters, whatever.
I personally fail to see the importance of it, or the rationality in basing my entire appearance on something like that.
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Why would you ever want to be all gruff, hairy, and gross when you could be small and adorable?
Being buff, to countless people, is not gross. You are absolutely not obliged to find it attractive, but you sound unbelievably pretentious and rude whenever you speak so lowly about the idea of having a masculine physique. I don't have any issues with the way that you handle your body and argue that people should strive to look however they please (Assuming they aren't doing physical damage to themselves like being obese, or something), so when you talk so begrudgingly, it's sort of hypocritical. You chastise masculinity and the what you feel it symbolizes (Arrogance, pretentiousness, etc), but then you go and do the same thing, just with a different body type.
You don't suddenly become a bad person if you get muscles, but the type of "alpha male" that's contributing to the downfall of society always has them. I don't sit there and instantly hate someone for having muscles at all, I just instantly find them physically repulsive. Usually my admittedly biased prejudice against their personality is validated when I actually talk to them, but no, that's not always the case. Someone like TBlocks or Sandtrap probably have muscles, and they're both great people. I'm more referring to people like Jive who obsess over them.

At the end of the day, I place far more value in physical attractiveness than a morally righteous person should, and I may let that taint my judgment. But what I find important is how cute you are, not how hot you are.


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Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.

Whats wrong with being in a frat? Don't matter after 30? You do know that men who join frats often make more money and are more successful than those who don't?

Socially, I like to watch sports and hang out with good looking people. Is that bad?

Being thin isn't healthy. You need to seek a nutritionist.
"Often" - nice meaningless piece of data with nothing to back it up

Your criteria for good looking is probably way askew. And what does what TV you watch have anything to do with your social life, lmao

And how is being thin unhealthy? Being thin is amazing.

Yawn.

http://thefraternityadvisor.com/greek-life-statistics/
http://college.usatoday.com/2014/06/04/going-greek-may-lead-to-the-good-life-study-shows/

When I think "social" I think hobbies. TV is a hobby.

How is being thin unhealthy? Take an anatomy and physiology course and you'll know why.
>usatoday
>a single article

nice

and LMAO, TV is not a hobby. Writing, kayaking, hiking, etc are hobbies.

Being thin is far from unhealthy. Look at any girl/guy who's thin and in perfect health.


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Not popular guys, shitty muscly frat bro guys. The kind of men that don't matter past the age of 30. Socially, you have terrible taste.

I'm a twig, which is fantastic. Being thin is always better than having disgusting muscles. The only thing you have on me physically is being shorter than me, that I'll admit. I would electrocute myself to be a perfect 5'8" like Thunder.

Whats wrong with being in a frat? Don't matter after 30? You do know that men who join frats often make more money and are more successful than those who don't?

Socially, I like to watch sports and hang out with good looking people. Is that bad?

Being thin isn't healthy. You need to seek a nutritionist.
"Often" - nice meaningless piece of data with nothing to back it up

Your criteria for good looking is probably way askew. And what does what TV you watch have anything to do with your social life, lmao

And how is being thin unhealthy? Being thin is amazing.

Yawn.

http://thefraternityadvisor.com/greek-life-statistics/
http://college.usatoday.com/2014/06/04/going-greek-may-lead-to-the-good-life-study-shows/

When I think "social" I think hobbies. TV is a hobby.

How is being thin unhealthy? Take an anatomy and physiology course and you'll know why.
>usatoday
>a single article

nice

and LMAO, TV is not a hobby. Writing, kayaking, hiking, etc are hobbies.

Being thin is far from unhealthy. Look at any girl/guy who's thin and in perfect health.

So Writing is a hobby, but watching TV isnt? Sure thing kiddo.

Just cause you're thin doesn't mean you're healthy. I know 300 pound men who are healthier than your 120 pound ass.


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I wish I was 120

at 6'3" that would be a godly weight

and yes, the mental and creative stimulation that it takes to write a story is far more of a hobby than sitting on your ass and watching TV


 
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Winy's patience is remarkable. Kudos, big guy.
More like my patience

its a wonder I havent freaked out over the idiocy ITT yet


 
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More like my patience

its a wonder I havent freaked out over the idiocy ITT yet

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The fact that you don't have the urge to defend your wife when she's insulted is what makes you a coward. The fact that she's perfectly capable of defending herself is irrelevant.
I don't entirely agree. That's basically just white knighting for your spouse.
An insult is just an insult. If they can handle it then let them, but be supportive of them at the same time. If they need help busting some ass then by all means. Otherwise you're creeping into overly-protective territory.
That's just not the way I was brought up. I don't agree with that at all. There's nothing overly protective of protecting your wife's honor.
If you get physically violent over an insult then you need to take a breather and learn how to handle things like a civilized person. Just saying.
Yeah dude I know you got kicked out and you were homeless, but you didn't grow up in the environment I did. If you let people talk to you like a bitch they're going to treat you like one.

I won't call you sheltered (because you're not, for the most part), but you just don't get it because you haven't lived through it.
And the people who are going to call you names for behaving like a reasonable, civilized person are fucking neanderthals. They're not in the right.