By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.

you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race matters

it doesn't

unless you can demonstrate how it does
which you can't

Quote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:33:16 PM

By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.

you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race matters

it doesn't

unless you can demonstrate how it does
which you can't

It matters because we wouldn't exist if it didn't.

Quote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:37:03 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 02:34:34 PM

Quote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:33:16 PM

By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.

you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race matters

it doesn't

unless you can demonstrate how it does
which you can't

It matters because we wouldn't exist if it didn't.

but that's a good thing

That's... dark.

The two negate each other

No, they don't. The lack of negative sensation in the universe is a positive in and of itself. It's a GOOD thing that you're not writhing in pain right now. Not a neutral thing--a GOOD thing.

Even if that were true, that's still one step above negative.

Why is it a good thing?

Because you're not suffering.

Why does my suffering make any sort of impact on the universe?

It doesn't make an impact ON the universe.

There's an impact IN the universe.

Negative sensations are negative. I don't know how the fuck else to say it. They're bad. Bad things shouldn't happen, because they're bad.

Quote from: (sic) on September 01, 2015, 02:44:41 PM

There's nothing wrong with NOT pushing the button either, as nothing matters.

Nihilists leave and stay leave.

Nihilism is completely valid. We are just experiencing this incomprehensibly large void of heat from the tiny, narrow shutter that is human perception. There is no such thing as positivity or negativity - those are merely human constructs.

You can believe that there is such thing as a 'good', or 'bad', of course, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Quote from: Jim on September 01, 2015, 02:54:16 PM

Says who?

Imagine if I took a hammer to your face.

You're telling me it wouldn't hurt.

Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms response to stimuli that could entail its destruction.

Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death.

That makes it bad.

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on September 01, 2015, 02:24:07 PM

So by that line of reasoning, you should stop being a vegan because when they die, they stop suffering anyways

Wrong. That would only work if they died instantly after birth. Which they don't.

And how is does that work since you're not ending our lives instantly after birth

Quote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 03:01:00 PM

Quote from: (sic) on September 01, 2015, 03:00:14 PM

Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death.

That makes it bad.

Not if the existence of the organism itself means nothing.

That makes it even MORE meaningful.