Quote from: SecondClass on September 01, 2015, 12:55:40 PMThat doesn't matter. If even one person refuses to consent to you pressing the button, it's morally deplorable.nahbreach of consent is permissible if there is a 100% guaranteed greater good
That doesn't matter. If even one person refuses to consent to you pressing the button, it's morally deplorable.
By that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.
Quote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:33:16 PMBy that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race mattersit doesn'tunless you can demonstrate how it doeswhich you can't
Quote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 02:34:34 PMQuote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:33:16 PMBy that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race mattersit doesn'tunless you can demonstrate how it doeswhich you can'tIt matters because we wouldn't exist if it didn't.
Quote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:37:03 PMQuote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 02:34:34 PMQuote from: Kupo on September 01, 2015, 02:33:16 PMBy that reasoning, I'd say childbirth is a 100% guaranteed greater good by ensuring the future of the human race... what that person grows up to be notwithstanding.you'd be wrong, because you're assuming that the future of the human race mattersit doesn'tunless you can demonstrate how it doeswhich you can'tIt matters because we wouldn't exist if it didn't.but that's a good thing
If nobody exists to take pleasure in it, it is neither good nor bad.
The two negate each other
There's nothing wrong with NOT pushing the button either, as nothing matters.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 12:47:55 PMQuote from: guts on September 01, 2015, 12:41:52 PMWhat does the red button dodeletes everything in an instantThen yes, that's morally wrong. Killing a single person without their consent is evil, killing trillions of people without their consent is monstrous.
Quote from: guts on September 01, 2015, 12:41:52 PMWhat does the red button dodeletes everything in an instant
What does the red button do
Why is it a good thing?
Why does my suffering make any sort of impact on the universe?
Quote from: (sic) on September 01, 2015, 02:44:41 PMThere's nothing wrong with NOT pushing the button either, as nothing matters.Nihilists leave and stay leave.
Says who?
Quote from: Jim on September 01, 2015, 02:54:16 PMSays who?Imagine if I took a hammer to your face.You're telling me it wouldn't hurt.
Of course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death.
Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on September 01, 2015, 02:24:07 PMSo by that line of reasoning, you should stop being a vegan because when they die, they stop suffering anywaysWrong. That would only work if they died instantly after birth. Which they don't.
So by that line of reasoning, you should stop being a vegan because when they die, they stop suffering anyways
Sure, but that doesn't mean it is objectively negative.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 01, 2015, 03:01:00 PMQuote from: (sic) on September 01, 2015, 03:00:14 PMOf course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death.That makes it bad.Not if the existence of the organism itself means nothing.
Quote from: (sic) on September 01, 2015, 03:00:14 PMOf course it would hurt, but that doesn't mean it's 'bad'. Pain is just an organisms defense system to avert destruction and consequently, death.That makes it bad.
Quote from: Jim on September 01, 2015, 03:00:33 PMSure, but that doesn't mean it is objectively negative.Then I hope you experience the most excruciating pain for the rest of your life, because it doesn't matter to you anyway.
You're right, because when I die, if there is no afterlife, I wont remember any of it anyway, and it will be like essentially the same as if it didn't happen at all.