Gov. Phil Bryant took out a pen and signed an official governor's proclamation, declaring the month of April "Confederate Heritage Month," a routine occurrence in Mississippi and several other southern states.
THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN
Quote from: Velox on February 25, 2016, 03:17:06 PMTHE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAINWhat? Start a war and lose?
Awesome.
How is appreciating a proud nation and paying tribute to the brave soldiers and patriots who laid down their lives in defence of freedom racist?
Quote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 12:18:20 AMHow is appreciating a proud nation and paying tribute to the brave soldiers and patriots who laid down their lives in defence of freedom racist?
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Important note: The state right the South fought for was the right to own another human being.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on February 27, 2016, 12:50:07 AMImportant note: The state right the South fought for was the right to own another human being.Even if they don't want to admit that, Mississippi's Declaration of Secession clearly states slavery as a reason. Second sentence of the document.http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.aspQuoteOur position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world
I'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.
Quote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slope
Quote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 01:38:03 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slopeIt's a slippery one, but I'm pretty confident in my footing in the subject.Slaves can be any color, and there were definitely white slaves.
Quote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:56:29 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 01:38:03 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slopeIt's a slippery one, but I'm pretty confident in my footing in the subject.Slaves can be any color, and there were definitely white slaves.Of course. But to say slavery isn't racist for Americans, kinda completely invalidates a lot of things. You're talking about the suppression of an entire race, followed by another century of oppression via Jim Crow laws.Pretty racist and suppressive.
Quote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 02:12:31 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:56:29 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 01:38:03 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slopeIt's a slippery one, but I'm pretty confident in my footing in the subject.Slaves can be any color, and there were definitely white slaves.Of course. But to say slavery isn't racist for Americans, kinda completely invalidates a lot of things. You're talking about the suppression of an entire race, followed by another century of oppression via Jim Crow laws.Pretty racist and suppressive.Jim Crow happened under the Union after reconstruction though.Slavery may not have been right, but it's not a racist practice.In the slave trade which African slaves were purchased in, (keep in mind they were enslaved by the Africans, and merely sold to Europe and the Americas) slaves of all races and backgrounds were traded.In short, the Confederacy may have supported slavery, but racism was not a hallmark of their government any more than it was of the Union at the time.
The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions--African slavery as it exists among us--the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. The general opinion of the men of that day [Revolutionary Period] was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution [slavery] would be evanescent and pass away [...] Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
Quote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 02:25:40 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 02:12:31 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:56:29 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 01:38:03 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slopeIt's a slippery one, but I'm pretty confident in my footing in the subject.Slaves can be any color, and there were definitely white slaves.Of course. But to say slavery isn't racist for Americans, kinda completely invalidates a lot of things. You're talking about the suppression of an entire race, followed by another century of oppression via Jim Crow laws.Pretty racist and suppressive.Jim Crow happened under the Union after reconstruction though.Slavery may not have been right, but it's not a racist practice.In the slave trade which African slaves were purchased in, (keep in mind they were enslaved by the Africans, and merely sold to Europe and the Americas) slaves of all races and backgrounds were traded.In short, the Confederacy may have supported slavery, but racism was not a hallmark of their government any more than it was of the Union at the time.QuoteThe new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions--African slavery as it exists among us--the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. The general opinion of the men of that day [Revolutionary Period] was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution [slavery] would be evanescent and pass away [...] Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.-Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy
Quote from: LC on February 27, 2016, 02:51:06 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 02:25:40 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 02:12:31 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:56:29 AMQuote from: Luciana on February 27, 2016, 01:38:03 AMQuote from: Solonoid on February 27, 2016, 01:32:54 AMI'd just like to point out one thing.The institution of slavery isn't racist.The slaves were black because Africa sold the cheapest slaves.Don't slip on that slopeIt's a slippery one, but I'm pretty confident in my footing in the subject.Slaves can be any color, and there were definitely white slaves.Of course. But to say slavery isn't racist for Americans, kinda completely invalidates a lot of things. You're talking about the suppression of an entire race, followed by another century of oppression via Jim Crow laws.Pretty racist and suppressive.Jim Crow happened under the Union after reconstruction though.Slavery may not have been right, but it's not a racist practice.In the slave trade which African slaves were purchased in, (keep in mind they were enslaved by the Africans, and merely sold to Europe and the Americas) slaves of all races and backgrounds were traded.In short, the Confederacy may have supported slavery, but racism was not a hallmark of their government any more than it was of the Union at the time.QuoteThe new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions--African slavery as it exists among us--the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. The general opinion of the men of that day [Revolutionary Period] was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution [slavery] would be evanescent and pass away [...] Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.-Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the ConfederacyI said any more than it was of the Union at the time.Oddly enough, the philosophy that slavery is an instrument to oppress the inferior negro is not coincident with the dynamic of the slave market.Or I guess in other words, THE PEOPLE WERE ALL RACIST WHETHER SLAVERY WAS LEGAL OR THERE WAS A NEW GOVERNMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE.I mean shit, nobody could deny that these people were racist, merely that the institution of that government and the institution of slavery were not mutually implicit with racist ideology.Northfags didn't like darkies.Europoors didn't like darkies.Nobody fucking liked darkies.The government of the Confederate States of America was no more extravagantly racist than any government at the time, and the market of slavery was not a racist institution despite the espositions of racist people.And that's what we're here to talk about.Is being proud of your ancestors efforts racist, when everybody on the other side of the lines was also racist?Is an economy based off of slavery racist, when the slave market on the whole was not racist?You'll note that all I ever claimed was that the very institution of slavery was not racist, not that their government was not.
The South isn't racist
